A little note about Arabized applications.. I would prefer two things: 1. The importance should denote the degree of need of a particular *class* of programs, not a specific program. E.g. if gnome-terminal was stated as a must, this will result in a vote to have a terminal emulator as a must. But from a distro point of view, this means that gnome-terminal must either be included or replaced by another terminal emulator that satisfies the same needs as gnome-terminal. So it can be flagged as a must, and this will translate to the inclusion of an Arabic support terminal emulator being obligatory for a distro. 2. For a program to be suggested, it need not support Arabic (or UTF-8) now. If ncurses was listed as a must, that means we really need Arabic support for ncurses, perhaps as a means of supporting later programs such as elinks or installers. We can thus derive a list of the programs candidate for new translation/arabization efforts at arabeyes. Naturally, a program that does not support Arabic or in the way to doing it is not suitable for distro inclusion. In fact, if there is a replacement, it should not be even considered as a candidate for Arabization (except for special cases like replacing a non-free software by a free one). So, Nadim, I wouldn't stop someone from suggesting a program here as long as it is sensible (no doom;). After all, no body seem to want to suggest a software that I am beginning to believe you have arabized all linuxes behind my back somewhere.. On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 09:16, Nadim Shaikli wrote: > --- Anmar Oueja <anmar at canada dot com> wrote: > > On Sun, 2003-08-31 at 20:16, Nadim Shaikli wrote: > > > > Name : gnome-terminal > > > > Version : 2.2.2 > > > > Category : terminal emulator > > > > Importance : A Must (4/5) > > > > Status : Proper Bidi and shaping. > > > > > > Does gnome-terminal do bidi and shaping ? I thought it didn't. > > > > Gnome Terminal supports UTF-8 but does not seem to support Arabic > > although it is compiled against Pango. Will send an email to Havoc to > > see if he knows if it is a simple change to make it use Arabic. > > Then there is no need to have it be included (and certainly not at that > high level of importance). Once Arabic support is created/added then > full-throttle ahead. Anmar, do please let us know (or CC 'developer') > with regards to that contact with Havoc. > > > > > Name : ncurses > > > > Version : 5.3 > > > > Category : Text Based GUI. Important for Installers > > > > Importance : A Must (4/5) > > > > Status : Proper Bidi and shaping. > > > > > > Same here - that version renders Arabic properly ?i > > > > I have tried with no success. Have you had any luck with it ? > > I believe Behdad at some point noted wanting to look into this (not sure > what if anything happened there). Again, same story here; if Arabic > support is not there, then there is no need to include it. > > Both this item and the one above are important candidates to include > Arabic support into - once that is done we can include them into distros. > > Anmar, you might want to update Arabeyes' project_list text file with > the above two items. > > > > > Name : Evolution > > > > Version : 1.4 > > > > Category : terminal emulator > > > > Importance : A Must (4/5) > > > > Status : Proper translation > > > > > > OK, this would fall under Arabeyes' Gnome translation project, right ? > > > Or is it a seperate .po files ? > > > > To be honest, I am not sure. Evolution is part of Ximian Desktop but I > > do not know if it is part of GNOME. Arafat, can you shed some light on > > this please. > > Same here - make sure Arabic works otherwise we need to put it on a > "fix it" list and include it later. > > > > > Name : xfce4 > > > > Version : 4 > > > > Category : Light Weight Window Environment (GTK2 Based) > > > > Importance : A Must (2/5) > > > > Status : Proper Translation. > > > > > > Does it have Arabic support ? If not, is it being pushed for or looked > > > into ? Bare in mind that we are only interested in Arabic-centric > > > applications and things that relate to it. > > > > > > > Yes it does have arabic support since it is based on GTK2. The reason i > > put this in bacause it is very small to localise and offers a light and > > simple Windowing Environment with out the clutter of KDE and GNOME. I > > think it provides a solid alternative to GNOME and KDE. > > Great, if you get some screenshots of Arabic titles, do please let me know. > I'd love to see 'em. > > > > [snip snip] > > > > I though of a few more. I will keep adding them as i use and discover > > more. BTW, does this list include Documentation. For example a document > > on how to use DocBook to do Arabic Documentation would be a good thing. > > Please elaborate. > > Good point - I'm not sure that is a priority right now, but certainly > worth a discussion and a question. > > Mr. Alkarouri/Mr. Obeid ? BTW: any further status ? > > As for the others ? Well, I really hope NO one ever complains about > the lack of arabic support in distros - if this is the level of response > (3 people) who reply when prompted what would you like to include in the > various popular distros and hardly anyone replies. Its still not too > late, tell us what you'd like to see included !! > > Salam. > > - Nadim > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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