Re: Arabic wordlist

["hamed" <hamed_fcs at hotpop dot com>]

salam,


> Hamed, thank you very much for your article/document (I'm CC'ing
> Arabeyes' "doc" mailing-list as I think it is of interest there and
> I'm including your PDF - in the future please upload your docs somewhere
> and provide a URL instead).  Your replies should be directed to the 'doc'
> list [1].
Thank you Nadim I didn't expect you'l forward "our" draft article here
but thank you again.

> A couple of comments on what I read,
>
> - I don't fully agree on the need for a new encoding as I think there
>   are plenty of encodings out there that seem to die-off by the day.
>   There is a reason why Arabeyes made a very cauntious decision early
>   on to support the most popular mainstream out there (that ensures
>   surviaval irrespective of technical superiority (beta vs. VHS comes
>   to mind)).
I agree with arabeyes dicision "as linux kernel" for focus on UTF8
as leteral encoding but I'm talking about something else,
and I expected objections to build an encoding for the semantic arabic
as in my team, but the encoding is very important for reprisenting
arabic derivation and supporting vocal relations studies.

> - I applaud your research and your enthusiasm towards the topic.  It
>   is refreshing to see this intensity again from some and their adamant
>   vision to make this a reality.
>
> I'd like to suggest the following.  I'd like to hear your comments (as
> well as other Arabeyes'ers') regarding the start of a new project.

There are a new suggestion project and we recently have a website but we
still descusing and learning, so we didn't feel the need of publicity.
so for your question I don't agree start new project but greet all openions.

 We've
> often talked about this but I think now with Hamed (given his continued
> vigilance and commitment) it is time to make it a reality - an Arabic
> wordlist.  We have an e.Wordlist (english wordlist) which resulted in us
> creating the world's first open source english->arabic dictionary/qamoose,
> now I think we need to start an a.Wordlist (arabic wordlist) to ultimatly
> generate an arabic->english dictionary/qamoose.  There is plenty of work
> that needs to be done in this area and it won't be as simple as collecting
> words and/or roots but will need to be looked into in terms of 
> completeness
> and how the data will be dissected once all is collected from an 
> end-user's
> point of view, etc.
I supplied at least tow projects links tried to represent arabic deviation 
using
XML or wordnet, but as I said I think it's along way and imposing non 
deviation
languages (european) struture upon arabic.

> Hamed, as noted and as you suggest what you are after can be broken into
> multiple phases (the encoding is something that can be dealt with later
> if you insist on that work outside the scope of what the wordlist is 
> after).
> It seems like the generation of an open source Arabic wordlist based on
> Arabic root words is a must (the Duali project [2] should also be of
> assistance since it uses the same concept).
if I understood you I agree we don't want to build wordlist in arabic,
but building a mechanism that generate all arabic words and reflect the 
semantic (deviation) relations in the arabic dictionary.

 This project will require
> some Arabic expertise and since we don't have anything to compare it to
> (in terms of similar end-results) it will be an unparalleled 
> accomplishment.
ok from my vision we need vocal studies (SSML ..etc), arabic (deviation) 
studies, and digital (machine) method studies >>so I expect you.

> Hamed, would you be up to the task - ie. are you interested in prusing 
> this
> idea.  Are you interested in the creation of the world's first open source
> Arabic wordlist (and then Arabic->English dictionary/qamoose) ?
Yes this is my main aim and work, and still on it enshaallah.

> [1] http://www.arabeyes.org/mailinglists.php
> [2] http://www.arabeyes.org/project.php?proj=Duali
I'm here in arabeyes since mounths and saw al regarding projects messages 
and persons.
we'l complete wiki regard this project in www.tarmeez.org and I'l send the 
links here as soon as possible.

> Salam.
>
> - Nadim
forgive my english so you notic almost my post is arabic.
salam,
Hamed suhli
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