Re: Great news: KACST is going to begin working in translation next week

[Munzir Taha <munzirtaha at newhorizons dot com dot sa>]

On Yaum al-Ithnain 03 Jumaada al-Awal 1425 11:35 am, Arafat Medini wrote:
> Salam,
>
> I think, that having ppl translate in a big way is for sure a great
> blessing to the whole project even I as the gnome maintainer would not
> be against this.
>
> My only problem is that Munzir taha, with my respect to him, has to
> concider that Arabeyes is in itself a very structured entity which means
> that processes are discussed approved and supervised by all the members
> of the community.

I am not asking to be a maintainer in place of Mr. Zawawi. I am not asking for 
my name to be published somewhere. I am just telling you I would be actively 
involved in the translation and it's because I will have enough time it's 
better for you (not for me) to let me do all the hassle (not the good 
things). I am sending this a week before our intended time of starting the 
translation just to give time for your ecosystem to think about it.

> What does this mean? Simply that you have to work with all the others in
> every step of the translation process: the new translators have to be
> part of our ecosystem : we want/have to know them, they have to interact
> with us

You can recommend this thing but not force it over me (like Mr. Elzubair 
suggests. He told me he prefer and this a big difference). We reserve ourself 
the freedom to register individually through arabeyes site or not. Hey! come 
on,  if some one wants to translate something with his brothers, friends, 
collegues, company,... he shouldn't be _forced_ to _force_ them to register 
individually. Another Hey! Ahmed Al-rashideen, please let your children 
register on arabeyes site so we can track which word your elder son has 
translated and praise/blame him for this.

> That they do all the work is for sure not the problem ;) the problem is
> how will they do it? And where is Arabeyes in this?

over our heads.

> Using Arabeyes resources with ignoring the Arabeyes maintainers views is
> not the right path.

Am I ignoring the Arabeyes maintainers views? me?

I am doing this work through arabeyes just because I used to love their 
coordination, help, advice, professionalism, ...

> Arabeyes can only be at your disposal if you agree to the wishes of
> every person working at arabeyes.

Please, all of you working on arabeyes, give your view point NOW. Don't keep 
silent please.

> I think it's very important to tell this as this problem is not new, and
> many of us are simply afraid of losing their work due to stronger
> positions.

Well, I couldn't understand this.

> So I would say that we as Arabeyes ppl HAVE to accept that others work
> on our projects

Ok, again no problem.
I have just checked out the kde repository from the main KDE site, I will send 
a message to sysadmin at kde dot org with my encrypted password to get a cvs 
account. I am sure he won't ask me whether I will translate it alone or with 
others. In case he refers me to your site I will explain to him the whole 
story and sure he won't mind giving one more account to a group that will 
finish KDE translation in matter of days.

> BTW, don't send me emails, officially I am not here...

To the core team
To Elzubair, Nadim, ...

In case you don't agree with the way this message addressed the issues, please 
comment and clarify things so I know whether this a personal remark from 
Arafat or your official/policy attitude. I still care to do it through 
Arabeyes in case I find help and advice from them. Otherwise, as mentioned 
previously, it's better for us to do it directly. Just do me one favor, try 
to reply to this message today so I have time to manage it.

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