The package is now uploaded in Debian so you can check it from there. I'd gladly include support for Arabic, but you'll have to help me in that :-) Regards Konstantinos
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, I have just uploaded to ftp-master the localization-config package, which is an slightly redesigned version of locale-config-skolelinux, so that it is able to work with sarge as well as woody (and of course future releases). For those impatient you can find it at http://people.debian.org/~markos/localization-config/ Main changes: 1) update-locale-config has 2 modes of operation: pre-install and post-install. If -p command line option is used, it calls the pre-install scripts, otherwise (default) it calls the post-install scripts. Pre-install are the scripts which do debconf preseeding, while post-install are those which are called AFTER the package installation but before debian-installer exits to the login prompt. 2) Version maps used for the packages. Three methods are used to find out the version of a package and thus the appropriate script to call. a. If the package is installed we compare its version to the one in the version map and accordingly call the correct script. b. If the package is available through the APT repository, we use this version instead. c. If the package is not available at all, we use the /etc/debian_version as fallback. This should not happen often, but it might be useful for some package whose debconf values we need to preseed and APT knows nothing about. I haven't found such a case though. 3) I tried to make the scripts as modular as I could, though I am sure there is much room for improvement. Some common subroutines, I have put in /usr/lib/localization-config/common/ 4) Please, please check the configuration values for each package for your locale entry. Although I have tried to be as careful as I could and follow some guidelines set by the skolelinux scripts, it is possible that I overlooked something. In particular I'd like people esp. with non-latin locales that need keyboard switching in X (like Greek does) to check the xfree86-kbd scripts. If there are changes that need to be made, feel free to send me a mail with suggestions or even better a patch. 5) I have documented the code thoroughly so it should be easy to follow. As it is, it is quite easy to write more scripts for other packages that need localization configuration (eg. database encoding configurations?) 6) The whole package building has been revamped to use debhelper, so this means there is no need for a Makefile, to install the software. Also, due to the use of Apt::Perl for the package information routines, a dependency to libapt-pkg-perl has been added. 7) I don't speak troff, so I have not updated the man page, if anyone is kind enough... :-) Comments, suggestions of course welcome. Regards Konstantinos -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBH9SyIU9oQVFfm3QRApXuAJ9weYs8oLbI5A0rzLez10N1arrAIgCePfIn yFpJplUBRdO+5S3oLtVSOuo= =pXHn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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- Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 07:52:23 +0200
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Quoting Konstantinos Margaritis (markos at debian dot org): > I have just uploaded to ftp-master the localization-config package, > which is an slightly redesigned version of locale-config-skolelinux, > so that it is able to work with sarge as well as woody (and of course > future releases). Weprobably now have to think how we could use it during a complete system install. My first idea is adding the package to each language task. Maybe should we try first with French and Greek? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-REQUEST at lists dot debian dot org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster at lists dot debian dot org
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- Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 07:54:58 +0200
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[Christian Perrier] > Weprobably now have to think how we could use it during a complete > system install. > > My first idea is adding the package to each language task. Maybe > should we try first with French and Greek? What about installing it from languagechooser, and add base-config fragments into the package to get it to enable itself automatically? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-REQUEST at lists dot debian dot org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster at lists dot debian dot org
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Quoting Petter Reinholdtsen (pere at hungry dot com): > [Christian Perrier] > > Weprobably now have to think how we could use it during a complete > > system install. > > > > My first idea is adding the package to each language task. Maybe > > should we try first with French and Greek? > > What about installing it from languagechooser, and add base-config > fragments into the package to get it to enable itself automatically? Yep, this is another interesting possibility. We should however probably make sure that languagechooser does not install the package for English installs otherwise we will probably have "I don't want this localisation shit on my small geek-only router install" whinings..:-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-REQUEST at lists dot debian dot org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster at lists dot debian dot org
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- From: Frans Pop <aragorn at tiscali dot nl>
- Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:06:46 +0200
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 15 August 2004 23:25, Konstantinos Margaritis wrote: > 4) Please, please check the configuration values for each package > for your locale entry. I have taken a quick look at the scripts for nl_NL and I have a couple of questions/comments. - - The test is for nl_NL at euro dot However, d-i currently does not (yet) set the locale to nl_NL at euro, but to nl_NL. Do the tests still work in that case? I think the same goes for other euro countries. - - For xfree86-kbd the LAYOUT is set to 'nl'. This looks to me to be a real problem as most keyboards in the Netherlands have a "US Intl." keyboard layout. Only a minority have the Dutch layout. In fact, the default in kbd-chooser is the US layout for NL. So IMHO there should be a test of the keyboard layout based on the layout already selected by the user in kbd-chooser and not a straight test based on location. If a choice _must_ be made, I'd prefer the default to be 'us'! - - Setting value for dictionaries-common to 'nederlands (Dutch)' and for ispell to 'dutch' is only OK if package idutch is installed. How is that guaranteed? - - One of the strengths of D-I IMHO if that it is very easy to install a system that has English as main language but Netherlands as country, and thus has correct defaults for e.g. timezone and mirror. I would not like to loose that. I'm not sure how valid these comments are as I only have a very rough understanding of how this package would be used. Cheers, FJP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBIIc2gm/Kwh6ICoQRAv/CAKC1/Bu00DFy+9px2zA/JdDZjj1CdACgp/v1 npBkCe/yiymVCS7LCaurUuE= =pWYl -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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- From: Konstantinos Margaritis <markos at debian dot org>
- Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:58:23 +0300
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On Δευ 16 Αυγ 2004 13:06, Frans Pop wrote: > - The test is for nl_NL at euro dot > However, d-i currently does not (yet) set the locale to > nl_NL at euro, but to nl_NL. Do the tests still work in that case? > I think the same goes for other euro countries. Hm, i copied the values from the former skolelinux package. I suppose I could add double entries for the locale values sans @euro or some technique to disregard it... Though, to be frank, I'm confused as to which countries should/are using the @euro extension. Shouldn't every locale that needs the euro character but does NOT use UTF-8, include the @euro extension? hm... Oh, how easier it would all be if we everyone used UTF-8 :-) > - For xfree86-kbd the LAYOUT is set to 'nl'. > This looks to me to be a real problem as most keyboards in the > Netherlands have a "US Intl." keyboard layout. Only a minority have > the Dutch layout. In fact, the default in kbd-chooser is the US > layout for NL. So IMHO there should be a test of the keyboard > layout based on the layout already selected by the user in > kbd-chooser and not a straight test based on location. > If a choice _must_ be made, I'd prefer the default to be 'us'! one idea that springs to mind is to read the corresponding debconf values from console-data, though this might not be done right away... and it might not be a 1-1 mapping, console-data to XFree86 I mean. > - Setting value for dictionaries-common to 'nederlands (Dutch)' and > for ispell to 'dutch' is only OK if package idutch is installed. > How is that guaranteed? Well, in the case of dictionaries-common, it only preseeds the debconf value, so that when dictionaries-common is installed it figures out what to do itself, and it seems to work. On the case of ispell though, this is only used in woody install (the script sarge/ispell is a dummy) for use in skolelinux, so we should not really worry about it for long :-) > - One of the strengths of D-I IMHO if that it is very easy to > install a system that has English as main language but Netherlands > as country, and thus has correct defaults for e.g. timezone and > mirror. I would not like to loose that. well, as far as sarge is concerned, i don't touch locale or timezone entries, i leave these to d-i and base-config. The locale and timezone scripts are taken from the skolelinux script which did for woody, what d-i does for sarge. Again these scripts are dummies for sarge. So you can choose english as language and the package will do nothing for you (because it will not find the locale entry in its tables, eg en_NL). > I'm not sure how valid these comments are as I only have a very > rough understanding of how this package would be used. Still, thanks for the feedback :-) At least I know I should change the default values of nl_NL. Konstantinos
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- Subject: Re: localization-config uploaded (former locale-config-skolelinux)
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- Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:47:57 +0200
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Quoting Konstantinos Margaritis (markos at debian dot org): > technique to disregard it... Though, to be frank, I'm confused as to > which countries should/are using the @euro extension. Shouldn't every Currently, none..:-) Just try a diff between /usr/share/i18n/locales/fr_FR and /usr/share/i18n/locales/fr_FR at euro for instance... These two locales are here because one most often uses the ISO-8859-1 charset and the other one used ISO-8859-15. Keeping these locales is indeed only a matter of backward compatibility...and I'm even not sure this makes sense. They may make sense for countries in transition towards the Euro currency such as those which will maybe switch in the future years (recent "new" EU countries or maybe, let's dream, Denmark, Sweden or United Kingdom.....in the latter case, this may happen when I reach my 100th birthday) IMHO, for countries currently using the Euro currency, these @euro variants do not make sense anymore, even for those which mostly use the Latin-1/Latin-9 charsets. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-REQUEST at lists dot debian dot org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster at lists dot debian dot org
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- Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:24:13 +0300
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On Δευ 16 Αυγ 2004 14:47, Christian Perrier wrote: > These two locales are here because one most often uses the > ISO-8859-1 charset and the other one used ISO-8859-15. Ok, this one i knew so far. > Keeping these locales is indeed only a matter of backward > compatibility...and I'm even not sure this makes sense. Ok, now I'm confused, which one is kept for backwards compatibility, or to put it differently, which should be the default, the "@euro" or the sans-"@euro"? > They may make sense for countries in transition towards the Euro > currency such as those which will maybe switch in the future years > (recent "new" EU countries or maybe, let's dream, Denmark, Sweden > or United Kingdom.....in the latter case, this may happen when I > reach my 100th birthday) > > IMHO, for countries currently using the Euro currency, these @euro > variants do not make sense anymore, even for those which mostly use > the Latin-1/Latin-9 charsets. So, should I remove the @euro extension from the locales? Forgive my persistense, but I can't really understand the use of a @euro or even a new encoding, if noone is using it. Hm, perhaps there should be a transition plan to move everything to UTF-8 :-) Konstantinos
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- Subject: List of possible XkbModel entries per locale
- From: Konstantinos Margaritis <markos at debian dot org>
- Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 00:25:11 +0300
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Hi, I'd like to make a complete list of every X keyboard config for each locale. I'm certain I miss many entries, but I would appreciate it if you sent me feedback to make sure that all locales have the correct config. Here is the list so far (borrowed and slightly changed from the Skolelinux): 'ca_ES at euro' => { LAYOUT => 'es', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, 'da_DK' => { LAYOUT => 'dk', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, 'de_BE at euro' => { LAYOUT => 'de', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, 'de_DE at euro' => { LAYOUT => 'de', XKBOPTIONS => 'nodeadkeys', XKBMODEL => 'pc105' }, 'el_GR.UTF-8' => { LAYOUT => 'us,el', XKBOPTIONS => 'grp:ctrl_shift_toggle', XKBMODEL => 'pc105' }, 'en_AU' => { LAYOUT => 'us', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, 'en_CA' => { LAYOUT => 'us', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, 'en_IE at euro' => { LAYOUT => 'us', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, 'en_US' => { LAYOUT => 'us', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, 'es_AR' => { LAYOUT => 'es', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, 'es_ES at euro' => { LAYOUT => 'es', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, 'es_MX' => { LAYOUT => 'la', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, 'es_PE' => { LAYOUT => 'es_la', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, 'fi_FI at euro' => { LAYOUT => 'fi', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, 'fr_BE at euro' => { LAYOUT => 'be', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, 'fr_CA' => { LAYOUT => 'us', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, 'fr_FR at euro' => { LAYOUT => 'fr', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, 'it_IT at euro' => { LAYOUT => 'it', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, 'ja_JP.eucJP' => { LAYOUT => 'jp', XKBOPTIONS => '', XKBMODEL => 'jp106' }, 'ko_KR' => { LAYOUT => 'us', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, 'lv_LV' => { LAYOUT => 'lv', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, 'nb_NO' => { LAYOUT => 'no', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, # Same as no_NO 'nds_DE' => { LAYOUT => 'de', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, 'nl_BE at euro' => { LAYOUT => 'be', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, 'nl_NL at euro' => { LAYOUT => 'us', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, 'nn_NO' => { LAYOUT => 'no', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, 'no_NO' => { LAYOUT => 'no', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, # Same as nb_NO 'pt_BR' => { LAYOUT => 'br', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, 'se_NO' => { LAYOUT => 'sapmi', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, 'sv_SE' => { LAYOUT => 'se', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, 'tr_TR' => { LAYOUT => 'tr', XKBOPTIONS => 'grp_led:caps' }, Konstantinos -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-REQUEST at lists dot debian dot org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster at lists dot debian dot org
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- Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:14:34 +0200
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On 17-08-2004 23:25, Konstantinos Margaritis wrote: | Hi, I'd like to make a complete list of every X keyboard config for each locale.
Hi Konstantinos, d-boot and d-edu!
Please when crossposting (which seems relevant in this case) include a note on where you want responses targeted, in order to avoid a complete thread crossposted (which does _not_ seem fruitful to me).
I have responded to d-i18n, and suggest others to do the same.
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~ - Jonas
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- From: tale at iki dot fi (Tapio Lehtonen)
- Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:34:56 +0300
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Bcc: Subject: Re: List of possible XkbModel entries per locale Reply-To: tapio dot lehtonen at iki dot fi In-Reply-To: <200408180025 dot 12035 dot markos at debian dot org> On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 12:25:11AM +0300, Konstantinos Margaritis wrote: > Hi, I'd like to make a complete list of every X keyboard config for each locale. > I'm certain I miss many entries, but I would appreciate it if you sent me feedback > to make sure that all locales have the correct config. Here is the list so far > (borrowed and slightly changed from the Skolelinux): > > 'fi_FI at euro' => { LAYOUT => 'fi', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, Finland should also have "XkbModel" "pc105". -- Tapio Lehtonen Tapio dot Lehtonen at IKI dot FI GPG public key from http://www.iki.fi/Tapio.Lehtonen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-REQUEST at lists dot debian dot org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster at lists dot debian dot org
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* Konstantinos Margaritis [2004-08-18 00:25:11+0300] > Hi, I'd like to make a complete list of every X keyboard config for each locale. > I'm certain I miss many entries, but I would appreciate it if you sent me feedback > to make sure that all locales have the correct config. Here is the list so far > (borrowed and slightly changed from the Skolelinux): > [...] > 'tr_TR' => { LAYOUT => 'tr', XKBOPTIONS => 'grp_led:caps' }, We should add the 'pc105' option to Turkish: 'tr_TR' => { LAYOUT => 'tr', XKBOPTIONS => 'grp_led:caps', XKBMODEL => 'pc105' }, Thanks for your time and efforts, -- roktasAttachment: signature.asc
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- Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 14:17:43 +0300
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Konstantinos Margaritis написав: > Hi, I'd like to make a complete list of every X keyboard config for each locale. > I'm certain I miss many entries, but I would appreciate it if you sent me feedback > to make sure that all locales have the correct config. Here is the list so far > (borrowed and slightly changed from the Skolelinux): > 'uk_UA' => { LAYOUT => 'us,ua', XKBOPTIONS => 'grp_led:caps,grp:ctrl_shift_toggle' }, -- Eugeniy Meshcheryakov Kyiv National Taras Shevchenko University Information and Computing Centre http://icc.univ.kiev.ua -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-REQUEST at lists dot debian dot org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster at lists dot debian dot org
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Hi Konstantinos, Consta no registro %KM18253 do Livro da Grande Teia que Konstantinos, em 18/08/04 escreveu o seguinte: > Hi, I'd like to make a complete list of every X keyboard config for > each locale. I'm certain I miss many entries, but I would appreciate > it if you sent me feedback to make sure that all locales have the > correct config. Here is the list so far (borrowed and slightly changed > from the Skolelinux): 'pt_BR' => { LAYOUT => 'br', XKBModel => 'abnt2' }, or 'pt_BR' => { LAYOUT => 'us_intl', XKBModel => 'pc104' } depending if the computer has the native language keyboard (the first) or the US model. Regards, Aracnus ------------------ Linux User #228171 Debian-BR User #434 MinaS Livre <http://www.minaslivre.org> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-REQUEST at lists dot debian dot org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster at lists dot debian dot org
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- To: Aracnus <aracnus at skolelinux dot no>, Andre Luis Lopes <andrelop at debian dot org>
- Subject: Re: List of possible XkbModel entries per locale
- From: Konstantinos Margaritis <markos at debian dot gr>
- Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 21:21:14 +0300
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On Κυρ 22 Αυγ 2004 20:57, you wrote: > Hi Konstantinos, Tchau! Como vais? > 'pt_BR' => { LAYOUT => 'br', XKBModel => 'abnt2' }, > > or > > 'pt_BR' => { LAYOUT => 'us_intl', XKBModel => 'pc104' } > > depending if the computer has the native language keyboard (the > first) or the US model. Well, Andre Luis Lopez, another developer (CCed) suggested another alternative: 'pt_BR' => { LAYOUT => 'br', XKBOPTIONS => '', XKBMODEL => 'pc104', XKBVARIANT => 'abnt2' }, Since I am not really an expert in international keyboard layouts, which one should I include? (I can only include one per locale though) Konstantinos
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- To: Konstantinos Margaritis <markos at debian dot gr>
- Subject: Re: List of possible XkbModel entries per locale
- From: Andre Luis Lopes <andrelop at debian dot org>
- Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 16:14:39 -0300
- Cc: Aracnus <aracnus at skolelinux dot no>, debian-edu at lists dot debian dot org, debian-l10n-portuguese at lists dot debian dot org, debian-users-portuguese at lists dot debian dot org
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Hello Konstantinos, I'm CC:'ing some mailing lists so the advise bellow are for them. Just jump to my comments and ignore them. People from Brazilian related lists, Konstantinos is the maintainer of the localization-config package. He's trying to improve it in order to make it be used by default in Debian Sarge. Among lots of other niceties, localization-config allows the XFree86's keyboard layout config to be pre-answered based on the language used to install Debian. This is why I'm CC:'ing you all as I'm really not sure which would be the best choice for a standard Brazilian keyboard since there are more than one possible layout used in Brazil. If someone could give Konstantinos a better advice than me it would surely help Brazilian Debian users. On Sun, Aug 22, 2004 at 09:21:14PM +0300, Konstantinos Margaritis wrote: > On ?????? 22 ?????? 2004 20:57, you wrote: > > Hi Konstantinos, > > Tchau! Como vais? "Tchau", at least here in Brazil, is the expression used when people are leaving. You probably tried to say "Ol", which means "Hello". Also, "vais" is mostly used in Portuguese from Portugal. Here in Brazil we use only "vai" :-) > > 'pt_BR' => { LAYOUT => 'br', XKBModel => 'abnt2' }, > > > > or > > > > 'pt_BR' => { LAYOUT => 'us_intl', XKBModel => 'pc104' } > > > > depending if the computer has the native language keyboard (the > > first) or the US model. > > Well, Andre Luis Lopez, another developer (CCed) suggested another alternative: Hmm, its "Lopes". Nevermind, I can't get people even from Brazil to write "Lopes" anyway :-) It's very common that they use "Lopez". > 'pt_BR' => { LAYOUT => 'br', XKBOPTIONS => '', XKBMODEL => 'pc104', XKBVARIANT => 'abnt2' }, > > Since I am not really an expert in international keyboard layouts, which one should I include? > (I can only include one per locale though) I'm not an expert also. I only recommended you to use this layout because this is the one that I use for my personal machines and for every other machine I install and it works fine for me. However, it must be noted that I always use GNOME under XFree86 and I don't know if GNOME is adding some workarounds to make my life easier and to fix a possible bad layout choice or if this layout is really correct. I'm CC'ing debian-l10n-portuguese at lists dot debian dot org so we could have some advice from translators which certainly could know better than me about layout issues. Also, debian-users-portuguese at lists dot debian dot org is a potential good place for requesting help regarding this issue. Regards, -- ++----------------------------------------------------------------------++ || Andr Lus Lopes andrelop at debian dot org || || http://people.debian.org/~andrelop || || Debian-BR Project http://www.debian-br.org || || Public GPG KeyID 9D1B82F6 ||Attachment: signature.asc
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- To: Andre Luis Lopes <andrelop at debian dot org>
- Subject: Re: List of possible XkbModel entries per locale
- From: Felipe Massia Pereira <felipe at las dot ic dot unicamp dot br>
- Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:34:30 -0300
- Cc: Konstantinos Margaritis <markos at debian dot gr>, Aracnus <aracnus at skolelinux dot no>, debian-edu at lists dot debian dot org, debian-l10n-portuguese at lists dot debian dot org, debian-users-portuguese at lists dot debian dot org
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I'd like to point out (add to wishlist) that "win keys" are not enabled by default and it would be nice if they were. Some programs do use them (amarok, if I'm not mistaken) as alt keys.
Maybe this should go to XFree86 team.
[]s Felipe
Andre Luis Lopes wrote:
'pt_BR' => { LAYOUT => 'br', XKBModel => 'abnt2' },
or
'pt_BR' => { LAYOUT => 'us_intl', XKBModel => 'pc104' }
'pt_BR' => { LAYOUT => 'br', XKBOPTIONS => '', XKBMODEL => 'pc104', XKBVARIANT => 'abnt2' },
Since I am not really an expert in international keyboard layouts, which one should I include?
(I can only include one per locale though)
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- Subject: Re: List of possible XkbModel entries per locale
- From: Frederico Goncalves Guimaraes <frederico at teia dot bio dot br>
- Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 14:56:43 -0300
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Hi Konstantinos, Consta no registro %KM18253 do Livro da Grande Teia que Konstantinos, em 18/08/04 escreveu o seguinte: > Hi, I'd like to make a complete list of every X keyboard config for > each locale. I'm certain I miss many entries, but I would appreciate > it if you sent me feedback to make sure that all locales have the > correct config. Here is the list so far (borrowed and slightly changed > from the Skolelinux): 'pt_BR' => { LAYOUT => 'br', XKBModel => 'abnt2' }, or 'pt_BR' => { LAYOUT => 'us_intl', XKBModel => 'pc104' } depending if the computer has the native language keyboard (the first) or the US model. Regards, Aracnus ------------------ Linux User #228171 Debian-BR User #434 MinaS Livre <http://www.minaslivre.org> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-REQUEST at lists dot debian dot org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster at lists dot debian dot org
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- Subject: Re: List of possible XkbModel entries per locale
- From: Konstantinos Margaritis <markos at debian dot gr>
- Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:18:25 +0300
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(Sorry for posting to all these lists, but not everybody is subscribed to i18n as Jonas suggested. Your replies, though should only be directed to debian-i18n at lists dot debian dot org, you don't have to cc me). Ok, this is the current list with all the feedback I have had so far. 'bg_BG' => { LAYOUT => 'us,bg', XKBVARIANT => ',phonetic', XKBOPTIONS => 'grp:alt_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll' }, 'ca_ES at euro' => { LAYOUT => 'es', XKBOPTIONS => '', XKBMODEL => 'pc105' }, 'cs_CZ' => { LAYOUT => 'cz_qwerty,us', XKBOPTIONS => 'grp:shift_toggle' }, 'da_DK' => { LAYOUT => 'dk', XKBOPTIONS => '', XKBMODEL => 'pc105' }, 'de_BE at euro' => { LAYOUT => 'de', XKBOPTIONS => '', XKBMODEL => 'pc105' }, 'de_DE at euro' => { LAYOUT => 'de', XKBOPTIONS => 'nodeadkeys', XKBMODEL => 'pc105' }, 'el_GR.UTF-8' => { LAYOUT => 'us,el', XKBOPTIONS => 'grp:alt_shift_toggle', XKBMODEL => 'pc105' }, 'en_AU' => { LAYOUT => 'us', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, 'en_CA' => { LAYOUT => 'us', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, 'en_IE at euro' => { LAYOUT => 'gb', XKBOPTIONS => '', XKBMODEL => 'pc105' }, 'ga_IE at euro' => { LAYOUT => 'gb', XKBOPTIONS => '', XKBMODEL => 'pc105' }, 'en_GB' => { LAYOUT => 'gb', XKBOPTIONS => '', XKBMODEL => 'pc105' }, 'gd_GB' => { LAYOUT => 'gb', XKBOPTIONS => '', XKBMODEL => 'pc105' }, 'gv_GB' => { LAYOUT => 'gb', XKBOPTIONS => '', XKBMODEL => 'pc105' }, 'kw_GB' => { LAYOUT => 'gb', XKBOPTIONS => '', XKBMODEL => 'pc105' }, 'en_US' => { LAYOUT => 'us', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, 'es_AR' => { LAYOUT => 'es', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, 'es_ES at euro' => { LAYOUT => 'es', XKBOPTIONS => '', XKBMODEL => 'pc105' }, 'es_MX' => { LAYOUT => 'la', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, 'es_PE' => { LAYOUT => 'es_la', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, 'fi_FI' => { LAYOUT => 'fi', XKBOPTIONS => '', XKBMODEL => 'pc105' }, 'fi_FI at euro' => { LAYOUT => 'fi', XKBOPTIONS => '', XKBMODEL => 'pc105' }, 'fr_BE' => { LAYOUT => 'be', XKBOPTIONS => '', XKBMODEL => 'pc105' }, 'fr_BE at euro' => { LAYOUT => 'be', XKBOPTIONS => '', XKBMODEL => 'pc105' }, 'fr_CA' => { LAYOUT => 'us', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, 'fr_CH' => { LAYOUT => 'fr_CH', XKBOPTIONS => '', XKBMODEL => 'pc105' }, 'fr_FR at euro' => { LAYOUT => 'fr', XKBOPTIONS => '', XKBMODEL => 'pc105' }, 'he_IL' => { LAYOUT => 'us,il', XKBOPTIONS => 'grp:alt_shift_toggle' }, 'it_IT at euro' => { LAYOUT => 'it', XKBOPTIONS => '', XKBMODEL => 'pc105' }, 'ja_JP.EUC-JP' => { LAYOUT => 'jp', XKBOPTIONS => '', XKBMODEL => 'jp106' }, 'ko_KR' => { LAYOUT => 'us', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, 'lv_LV' => { LAYOUT => 'lv', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, 'nb_NO' => { LAYOUT => 'no', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, # Same as no_NO 'nds_DE' => { LAYOUT => 'de', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, 'nl_BE at euro' => { LAYOUT => 'be', XKBOPTIONS => '', XKBMODEL => 'pc105' }, 'nl_NL at euro' => { LAYOUT => 'us', XKBOPTIONS => '', XKBMODEL => 'pc105' }, 'nn_NO' => { LAYOUT => 'no', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, 'no_NO' => { LAYOUT => 'no', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, # Same as nb_NO 'pt_BR' => { LAYOUT => 'br', XKBOPTIONS => '', XKBMODEL => 'pc104', XKBVARIANT => 'abnt2' }, 'ru_RU' => { LAYOUT => 'us,ru', XKBOPTIONS => 'grp:ctrl_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll', XKBMODEL => 'pc105' }, 'se_NO' => { LAYOUT => 'sapmi', XKBOPTIONS => '' }, 'sk_SK => { LAYOUT => 'sk_qwerty,us', XKBOPTIONS => 'grp:shift_toggle' }, 'sl_SI' => { LAYOUT => 'si,us', XKBOPTIONS => 'grp:alt_shift_toggle', XKBMODEL => 'pc105' }, 'sv_SE' => { LAYOUT => 'se', XKBOPTIONS => '', XKBMODEL => 'pc105' }, 'sv_FI' => { LAYOUT => 'fi', XKBOPTIONS => '', XKBMODEL => 'pc105' } 'sv_FI at euro' => { LAYOUT => 'fi', XKBOPTIONS => '', XKBMODEL => 'pc105' } 'tr_TR' => { LAYOUT => 'tr', XKBOPTIONS => 'grp_led:caps', XKBMODEL => 'pc105' }, 'uk_UA' => { LAYOUR => 'us,ua', XKBOPTIONS => 'grp_led:caps,grp:ctrl_shift_toggle', XKBMODEL => 'pc105'} Tomorrow I will upload a new version with these entries. Also I will take these entries and merge them in the woody version of X 4.2 (for Skolelinux). If there are any comments you would like to make on that, please do so by tomorrow. Some obvious corrections I can do on my own, eg. a LAYOYT => "us, el" becomes "el" because X 4.2 includes the latin keycodes in many keymaps by default. Also it's highly likely I will also add a script to configure gdm. Konstantinos -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-REQUEST at lists dot debian dot org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster at lists dot debian dot org
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