Re: Arabic fonts will be accpeted in to gnome!

[abdulhaq <al-arabeyes at alinsyria dot fsnet dot co dot uk>]

Well to me the words rip-off means copied, indirect or not. I took indirect 
to mean, for example, traced out from a print out and then plugged back in 
to a font designer. That would be very close to copyright violation.

As far as I can see when I open many modern printed arabic books the font is 
in this style. It would be hard to produce a font of this style that didn't 
resemble cyberbit to a certain extent by the nature of the khatt. To have 
evidence of copying/indirect ripping there must be more than a resemblance 
of style.

There's no need to take it personally, I just want to set the record straight 
that the people at kacst didn't copy in any way the bitstream font (in my 
opinion, allahu a`lam).

wassalaam
abdulhaq


On Sunday 06 June 2004 12:45, Arafat Medini wrote:
> I never said:
>
> The fonts ARE A RIP.
>
> Please read my sentences carefully next time.
>
> These fonts,  with my respect to the work behind them, are not very
> original and thus, in my eyes, an INDIRECT rip of BCyber. That's my
> point of view. This stresses VERY clearly MHO.
>
> Arafat
>
> في ح, 2004-06-06 السّاعة 11:56 +0100, abdulhaq كتب:
> > It's a serious allegation to say that the Kacst fonts are a rip-off of a
> > Bitstream font as if true then the Kacst fonts would have to be
> > withdrawn. However, I can't see any evidence whatsoever to support your
> > claim.
> >
> > Looking at the screen shot you provided, and overlooking rendering flaws
> > at different point sizes, there are some very apparent differences:
> >
> > All letters:
> > Kacst: the stroke is delicate and at tight turns is considerably reduced
> > in width
> > Cyberbit: the stroke is much more uniform in width even through turns
> >
> > waaw:
> > Kacst: The tail extends considerably beyond the main loop
> > Cyberbit: The tail does not extend beyond the main loop
> >
> > raa':
> > Kacst: The tail sweeps considerably forward
> > Cyberbit: the tail does not sweep forward but mainly downward
> >
> > faa':
> > Kacst: There is a long tail
> > Cyberbit: the tail is short
> >
> > laam:
> > Kacst: the turn into the loop is very tight
> > Cyberbit: the turn is almost semi-circular
> >
> > yaa':
> > Kacst: the angle of the turn is not particularly tight
> > Cyberbit: the angle of the turn is quite acute
> >
> > In actual fact, I can't find one letter that looks like it was copied
> > from Cyberbit.
> >
> > wassalaam
> > abdulhaq
> >
> > On Sunday 06 June 2004 10:29, Arafat Medini wrote:
> > > take a look at this screenshot:
> > >
> > > http://www.silverpen.de/fonts2.png
> > >
> > > As you can see:
> > >
> > > +the Arabic Kacst fonts are an indirect rip of bitstream cyberbit! So
> > > no real innovation here.
> > > +They lack contrast, and don't have natural design.
> > > in every font at least one letter is not good.
> > > +They are too linear not smoot like tahoma for eg. so they hurt they
> > > eyes, especially if you'll use them in everyday life.
> > > +The only font that looks promising is KacstQura but it has major
> > > problem with resizing.(kacstQura at 9 pts)
> > > +I am for a fast solution, and as long as I can see Arabic with these
> > > fonts they are for me Arabic fonts, technology is technology there
> > > isn't Arabic or persian technology as long as the output is the same.
> > >
> > > > If not, we should then suggest to add Arabic fonts (khotot) _and_
> > > > Persian ones.
> > >
> > > we can't there is only one fonts called bitstream cyberbit, and the
> > > fonts will be maybe included in it, so at the end only one font will
> > > be chosen, as if you start tahoma and you only have one Arabic font.
> > > But maybe the fonts will be destributed separately in this case I am
> > > naturally in fvour of some Kacst fonts BUT they are still not good
> > > enough, and who works wins...
> > >
> > > > Salam,
> > >
> > > Salam
> > >
> > >
> > >
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