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Today's Topics:

   1. some rants on open source work (Klaus Lagally)
   2. Re: some rants on open source work (Nadim Shaikli)
   3. mandrake 9 (w e)
   4. mandrake 9 (w e)
   5. Re: mandrake 9 (Ossama Khayat)
   6. my address (w e)
   7. my address (w e)

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Message: 1
From: Klaus Lagally <lagally at informatik dot uni-stuttgart dot de>
Subject: some rants on open source work
To: general at arabeyes dot org
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 02:39:05 +0200 (CEST)
Reply-To: general at arabeyes dot org

Hi all,

I followed your discussions since Arabeyes began, but Linux is not my 
field, so I did not, and cannot, contribute anything but my experience
with open source projects.

I started the ArabTeX project sometime around 1991 (it is concerned with
typesetting in the Arabic script and its extensions using the TeX system)
and I consider it successful. The system is publicly available on our 
server (ask me if you are interested, by personal EMail) and some mirrors. 
We had around 10000(!) downloads on the local server alone and 
NOT A SINGLE request for a printed manual, even at a nominal fee! 
I learned some lessons on the way.

Lesson one: people take anything that is free for granted.

Lesson two: hunters and gatheres abound. Downloads prove nothing.

Lesson three: there ARE serious users, and you can identify them by 
the fact that they stumble over bugs and complain. Forget the rest.
(Note: if there are too few bugs, you will never know your users :-)

Lesson four: you MIGHT get compliments, but no donations and no help.
(Note: you might get a complimentary copy of scientific work, if you
explicitly ask for it, and your wish is reasonable)

Conclusion: if you want something to happen, MAKE it happen and be
prepared to do EVERYTHING yourself. If you should get help, so the
better, but do not rely on it. Take your time, and try to get as much
fun and satisfaction from your work as possible; this is the best 
thing you can get! Also do not let anybody put a deadline on you!

Note: I did not want to sound too cynical, and I defiinitely did not 
want to talk you out of your project. On the contrary, I like the 
project, and since I feel some frustration with some members, I want 
to endorse your effort since I think it is worth it. I wish you well!

Sincerely

KL
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 19:14:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nadim Shaikli <shaikli at yahoo dot com>
Subject: Re: some rants on open source work
To: general at arabeyes dot org
Reply-To: general at arabeyes dot org

--- Klaus Lagally <lagally informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> wrote:
> 
[snip of lessons and conclusion I agree with]

> Note: I did not want to sound too cynical, and I defiinitely did not 
> want to talk you out of your project. On the contrary, I like the 
> project, and since I feel some frustration with some members, I want 
> to endorse your effort since I think it is worth it. I wish you well!

Dr. Lagally, arabeyes is not disappearing (far from it :-)  The questions
were posted to get a discussion going and possibly to see what we can do
to improve the rather dismal participation we've seen of late (lots of
"I'm here to help" and poooof - they're gone/disappeared).  We've often
wondered why people even bother -- I mean, if you are not going to work,
why even bother putting your name in circulation and bring forth a bad
image unto yourself.  Mr. Elzubeir, pointed out its likely "human nature"
that's at play here and that it brings that forth; that "nature" is
something we need get a better handle on.

We are all committed (well, the ones that care enough), then the question
becomes can something be done to get others to smell that spirit and get
infected by it; your lessons and conclusion are right on the mark - but
one always wonders, "could we do more to ..."

Salam.

 - Nadim


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Message: 3
From: "w e" <compsciom at hotmail dot com>
To: general at arabeyes dot org
Subject: mandrake 9
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 08:59:36 +0000
Reply-To: general at arabeyes dot org

salam
i want to get linux mandrake 9
i am from oman , any one can help me?
what will be my username to log on to cvs,etc




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Message: 4
From: "w e" <compsciom at hotmail dot com>
To: general at arabeyes dot org
Subject: mandrake 9
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 09:03:20 +0000
Reply-To: general at arabeyes dot org

salam
i want to get linux mandrake 9
i am from oman , any one can help me?
what will be my username to log on to cvs,etc




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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:17:00 +0300
From: Ossama Khayat <ossamak at nht dot com dot kw>
To: general at arabeyes dot org
Subject: Re: mandrake 9
Reply-To: general at arabeyes dot org

w e wrote:

> salam
> i want to get linux mandrake 9
> i am from oman , any one can help me?
> what will be my username to log on to cvs,etc

Wa Alaikom Assalam,
Please send me your mailing address so I can send it to you ASAP.
Or if I don't have it I can send you RedHat 9, if it's OK?

Ossama


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Message: 6
From: "w e" <compsciom at hotmail dot com>
To: general at arabeyes dot org
Subject: my address
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:43:27 +0000
Reply-To: general at arabeyes dot org


salam
First of all,thanks for all who reply my message.
This is my adress if any one can send mandrake 9 to me:
B.O.Box:614
Postal Code:211 Salalah,Sultanate of Oman.
Aiman




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Message: 7
From: "w e" <compsciom at hotmail dot com>
To: general at arabeyes dot org
Subject: my address
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:43:15 +0000
Reply-To: general at arabeyes dot org


salam
First of all,thanks for all who reply my message.
This is my adress if any one can send mandrake 9 to me:
B.O.Box:614
Postal Code:211 Salalah,Sultanate of Oman.
Aiman




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