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> 1. Re: �� (murshed mohd)

> 2. Another Linux Lover (Isam Bayazidi)

> 3. Arabization Team (al-Harthi Saad)

> 4. Arabization Team (al-Harthi Saad)

> 5. Re: Arabization Team (Ali Hashimi)

> 6. Re: Arabization Team (Mohammed Elzubeir)

> 7. Re: Fw: Re: Linux Arabization .. (shihab al-din mahmod)

> 8. Re: �� (Salman Al-Rahma)

> 9. Re: Arabization Team (Anatolia)

> 10. CVS - and the end of the tunnel (Mohammed Elzubeir)

> 11. Re: CVS - and the end of the tunnel (Anatolia)

> 12. Re: CVS - and the end of the tunnel (Mohammed Elzubeir)

> 13. Re: Fw: Re: Linux Arabization .. (Thomas Diehl)

> 14. Re: KDE Arabic Support/Arabeyes (Thomas Diehl)

> 15. Re: KDE Arabic Support/Arabeyes (Lars Knoll)

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>Message: 1

>Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 05:10:19 -0700 (PDT)

>From: murshed mohd

>Subject: Re: ��

>To: doc at arabeyes dot org

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> hi all

>salam 3laikum ..

>well .. i am also new here ..

>my name is murshed mohd .. from Dubai , UAE ... 20 years old

>i love computers and internet and a bit new to Linux ...

>i loved to join this list after what i heard about the translation .. that it will be easy and no programming back ground needed ..

>i am now in UK , and might be back to the UAE in 10 days insha allah ,,, i dont' think that i could do any thing from here , because first of all , i can't access the net from an Arabic enabled OS

>i only can read arabic ,, this is one of the reasons that i won't be able to start from here..

>hope this is not a problem for any body ..

>thanks alot for all.

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hi all

salam 3laikum ..

well .. i am also new here ..

my name is murshed mohd .. from Dubai , UAE ... 20 years old

i love computers and internet and a bit new to Linux ...

i loved to join this list after what i heard about the translation .. that it will be easy and no programming back ground needed ..

i am now in UK , and might be back to the UAE in 10 days insha allah ,,, i dont' think that i could do any thing from here , because first of all , i can't access the net from an Arabic enabled OS

i only can read arabic ,, this is one of the reasons that i won't be able to start from here..

hope this is not a problem for any body ..

thanks alot for all.

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>Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:29:45 +0200

>To: doc at arabeyes dot org

>From: Isam Bayazidi

>Subject: Another Linux Lover

>Reply-To: doc at arabeyes dot org

>Salam Everyone ..

>OK , My name is Isam Bayazidi , from Amman, Jordan.. I finished the 4th

>year of computer science in the Al al-Bayt University.. I started with

>Linux 4 years ago, but never worked in developing for it or in it ..

>I am very excited about the Project .. I'm downloading the

>qt-x11-free-3.0.0beta4 .. does the beta 4 have anything new for Arabic

>support ? or the Arabic support was complete before that ?

>Nice working with all these great people ..

> Yours

> Isam Bayazidi

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>Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 08:07:15 -0700 (PDT)

>From: al-Harthi Saad

>Subject: Arabization Team

>To: Doc at arabeyes dot org

>Reply-To: doc at arabeyes dot org

>Dear all,

>Salam,

>Let me guys introduce myself to you in brief,

>My name is Saad Al-Harthi, Graduated for KAAU, I had

>BSC in Industrial Engineering with experience of 13

>years as MVS OS/390 support plus LANs.

>I've been watching the msgs for couple of days but

>till now I could not see a clear plan of what, how,

>who should do what!

>Let us guys put ourselves a plan of what paths to

>follow.

>I'm suggesting the following :

>Divide ourselves into 3 groups:

>1st: Documentation Arabization team.

>2nd: KDE Arabization team.

>3rd: Management team.

>For the 1st team to deal with the arabization of the

>documentations, it does not matter which platform we

>do the arabization on as far as there is a conversion

>tools to do so.

>For the 2nd team to deal with tech. aspects of KDE

>interfaces with arabic modules.

>For the 3rd team to deal with the KDE Organization for

>management aspect.

>The subject is debatable and sharable.

>Any comments are welcome.

>Saad Al-Harthi.

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>Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 08:07:18 -0700 (PDT)

>From: al-Harthi Saad

>Subject: Arabization Team

>To: Doc at arabeyes dot org

>Reply-To: doc at arabeyes dot org

>Dear all,

>Salam,

>Let me guys introduce myself to you in brief,

>My name is Saad Al-Harthi, Graduated for KAAU, I had

>BSC in Industrial Engineering with experience of 13

>years as MVS OS/390 support plus LANs.

>I've been watching the msgs for couple of days but

>till now I could not see a clear plan of what, how,

>who should do what!

>Let us guys put ourselves a plan of what paths to

>follow.

>I'm suggesting the following :

>Divide ourselves into 3 groups:

>1st: Documentation Arabization team.

>2nd: KDE Arabization team.

>3rd: Management team.

>For the 1st team to deal with the arabization of the

>documentations, it does not matter which platform we

>do the arabization on as far as there is a conversion

>tools to do so.

>For the 2nd team to deal with tech. aspects of KDE

>interfaces with arabic modules.

>For the 3rd team to deal with the KDE Organization for

>management aspect.

>The subject is debatable and sharable.

>Any comments are welcome.

>Saad Al-Harthi.

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>Message: 5

>Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 10:11:22 -0700 (PDT)

>From: Ali Hashimi

>Subject: Re: Arabization Team

>To: doc at arabeyes dot org

>Reply-To: doc at arabeyes dot org

>Hi everybody

>do we have any compendium to start from or we have to

>start by creating and sharing it

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>Message: 6

>Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 08:50:59 -0500

>From: Mohammed Elzubeir

>To: doc at arabeyes dot org

>Subject: Re: Arabization Team

>Reply-To: doc at arabeyes dot org

>On Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 10:11:22AM -0700, Ali Hashimi wrote:

> > Hi everybody

> >

> > do we have any compendium to start from or we have to

> > start by creating and sharing it

> >

>We will use the KDE .pot files, and create translated versions saving them as

>.po files. However, I'm still waiting on a few emails to see how we're going

>to make this process easy with the number of people who are interested. I have

>gravely underestimated the number of people wanting to work on the

>translation ;)

>Some of the translation team will have cvs access on the Arabeyes server, and

>then from there I will put them up on the KDE servers, so you and the other

>translators can keep up with one another's work.

>later

>---------------------------------------------------------------------------

>| Mohammed Elzubeir | http://www.fakkir.net/ |

>| Tech Support | http://www.arabeyes.org/ |

>| College of Business Computing Center | Homepage: |

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>Message: 7

>Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:29:52 +0200 (MEST)

>From: shihab al-din mahmod

>To: "Thomas Diehl"

>Cc: doc at arabeyes dot org

>Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Linux Arabization ..

>Reply-To: doc at arabeyes dot org

>thanx mr thomas i think this is a good solution

>u well have a good news sooo soon i promes

>about mr.Mohammed Elzubeir

>u wellcome and am very hapy to work with u

>and am so hapy becouse u have the web site and the domain

>i well send to u soo soon the support of kde1.2

>and the arabic version of Qt 2

>u wellcome as coordinator with me for the Arabic

>translation of KDE.

>plz lets start and comunicate

>shihab al-din

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>Message: 8

>From: "Salman Al-Rahma"

>To: doc at arabeyes dot org

>Subject: Re: ��

>Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 00:38:03 +0300

>Reply-To: doc at arabeyes dot org

>Salam,

>This is Salman, the Knight, 'Al-Faris', it is not a name, just a nickname.

>I've been working with computers and software for more than 10 years -early

>1991, self-taught, from DOS 3.3 to win 2000, and in between. I programmed a

>little with VB and a little more with Delphi, but never considered myself a

>programmer, so do not think of it.

>I am willing to help with whatever I can do, and I am willing to put the

>required time and effort needed.

>btw. I am no computer grad, just an architectural engineer -buildings-

>computer crazy guy.

>Salman...

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>Knowledge is Power

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> >From: "Anatolia"

> >Reply-To: doc at arabeyes dot org

> >To:

> >Subject: ��

> >Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:15:16 +0100

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>Message: 9

>From: "Anatolia"

>To:

>Subject: Re: Arabization Team

>Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:57:46 +0100

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>Reply-To: doc at arabeyes dot org

>I do agree with brother Saad Al-Harthi we should start organizing the team

>into groups and when new comers come to this project we can spread them into

>those teams..

>Majed

>Linux Team Developer

>----- Original Message -----

>From: "Mohammed Elzubeir"

>To:

>Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 2:50 PM

>Subject: Re: Arabization Team

> > On Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 10:11:22AM -0700, Ali Hashimi wrote:

> > > Hi everybody

> > >

> > > do we have any compendium to start from or we have to

> > > start by creating and sharing it

> > >

> >

> > We will use the KDE .pot files, and create translated versions saving them

>as

> > po files. However, I'm still waiting on a few emails to see how we're

>going

> > to make this process easy with the number of people who are interested. I

>have

> > gravely underestimated the number of people wanting to work on the

> > translation ;)

> >

> > Some of the translation team will have cvs access on the Arabeyes server,

>and

> > then from there I will put them up on the KDE servers, so you and the

>other

> > translators can keep up with one another's work.

> >

> > later

> >

> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------

> > | Mohammed Elzubeir | http://www.fakkir.net/

> > | Tech Support | http://www.arabeyes.org/

> > | College of Business Computing Center | Homepage:

> > | University of North Texas | http://www.fakkir.net/~elzubeir/

> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------

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> > _______________________________________________

> > Doc mailing list

> > Doc at arabeyes dot org

> > http://arabeyes.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/doc

> >

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>Message: 10

>Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:09:46 -0500

>From: Mohammed Elzubeir

>To: doc at arabeyes dot org

>Subject: CVS - and the end of the tunnel

>Reply-To: doc at arabeyes dot org

>Alright,

>Let's get some organization here. I have imported the kde-i18n/templates from

>the KDE cvs server, and put it on Arabeyes

>(http://www.arabeyes.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/doc/kde-i18n/).

>Those of you who already have accounts on arabeyes.org will be contacted

>individually about their account. Those of you who are wanting to contribute,

>please email contribute at arabeyes dot org with your full name, email address (duh),

>and any other relevant information (like, if you are interested in becoming an

>editor).

>So, you have received your account information, and you are ready to work.

>What's next?

>First, checkout the arabeyes/doc/kde-i18n module (or directory). If you are

>not sure how to do that, please consult the HOWTO on the CVS page. If you are

>still unable to do this, post a message to general at arabeyes dot org dot

>Then, you will take one file, and translate it. Any file, but for now, stick

>to the files in the root directory. After you have made changes, DON'T save it

>with the .pot extension, instead, save it with the .po extension. For example,

>kdelibs.pot will become kdelibs.po

>Once you are done with your work for the day (or the night!), add and commit

>the file to the arabeyes cvs repository. This is all shown on the HOWTO (on

>the CVS page). If you still have questions, don't hesitate to ask.

>Please make sure you 'update' (cvs update) the files, so when others have

>committed changes to the CVS repository, they are reflected on your working

>copy (to avoid conflicts).

>---------------------------------------------------------------------------

>| Mohammed Elzubeir | http://www.fakkir.net/ |

>| Tech Support | http://www.arabeyes.org/ |

>| College of Business Computing Center | Homepage: |

>| University of North Texas | http://www.fakkir.net/~elzubeir/ |

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>Message: 11

>From: "Anatolia"

>To:

>Subject: Re: CVS - and the end of the tunnel

>Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 01:54:39 +0100

>charset="windows-1256"

>Reply-To: doc at arabeyes dot org

>ok Moe :o) it's a wrong URL ;o)

>the right one is :

>http://www.arabeyes.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/arabeyes/doc/kde-i18n/

>----- Original Message -----

>From: "Mohammed Elzubeir"

>To:

>Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 8:09 PM

>Subject: CVS - and the end of the tunnel

> >

> > Alright,

> >

> > Let's get some organization here. I have imported the kde-i18n/templates

>from

> > the KDE cvs server, and put it on Arabeyes

> > (http://www.arabeyes.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/doc/kde-i18n/).

> >

> > Those of you who already have accounts on arabeyes.org will be contacted

> > individually about their account. Those of you who are wanting to

>contribute,

> > please email contribute at arabeyes dot org with your full name, email address

>(duh),

> > and any other relevant information (like, if you are interested in

>becoming an

> > editor).

> >

> > So, you have received your account information, and you are ready to work.

> > What's next?

> >

> > First, checkout the arabeyes/doc/kde-i18n module (or directory). If you

>are

> > not sure how to do that, please consult the HOWTO on the CVS page. If you

>are

> > still unable to do this, post a message to general at arabeyes dot org dot

> >

> > Then, you will take one file, and translate it. Any file, but for now,

>stick

> > to the files in the root directory. After you have made changes, DON'T

>save it

> > with the .pot extension, instead, save it with the .po extension. For

>example,

> > kdelibs.pot will become kdelibs.po

> >

> > Once you are done with your work for the day (or the night!), add and

>commit

> > the file to the arabeyes cvs repository. This is all shown on the HOWTO

>(on

> > the CVS page). If you still have questions, don't hesitate to ask.

> >

> > Please make sure you 'update' (cvs update) the files, so when others have

> > committed changes to the CVS repository, they are reflected on your

>working

> > copy (to avoid conflicts).

> >

> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------

> > | Mohammed Elzubeir | http://www.fakkir.net/

> > | Tech Support | http://www.arabeyes.org/

> > | College of Business Computing Center | Homepage:

> > | University of North Texas | http://www.fakkir.net/~elzubeir/

> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------

> >

> > _______________________________________________

> > Doc mailing list

> > Doc at arabeyes dot org

> > http://arabeyes.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/doc

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>Message: 12

>Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:06:38 -0500

>From: Mohammed Elzubeir

>To: doc at arabeyes dot org

>Subject: Re: CVS - and the end of the tunnel

>Reply-To: doc at arabeyes dot org

>On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 01:54:39AM +0100, Anatolia wrote:

> > ok Moe :o) it's a wrong URL ;o)

> > the right one is :

> >

> > http://www.arabeyes.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/arabeyes/doc/kde-i18n/

> >

>Ah! Thanks for catching that. I should cut/paste more often ;)

>--

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>| Tech Support | http://www.arabeyes.org/ |

>| College of Business Computing Center | Homepage: |

>| University of North Texas | http://www.fakkir.net/~elzubeir/ |

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>Message: 13

>From: "Thomas Diehl"

>To: "shihab al-din mahmod"

>Cc: "doc at arabeyes dot org"

>Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 07:26:36 +0200

>Reply-To: "Thomas Diehl"

>Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Linux Arabization ..

>Reply-To: doc at arabeyes dot org

>On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:29:52 +0200 (MEST), shihab al-din mahmod wrote:

> >thanx mr thomas i think this is a good solution

>I'm glad you see it that way, too, and the Arabic team seems to be off

>for a good start now.

> >plz lets start and comunicate

>OK, I see you already found out about the mailing list provided at

>www.arabeyes.org. Therefore, I presume good communication will not

>be a problem anymore.

>Looking forward to seeing KDE in Arabic,

>Thomas

>---

>KDE translation: http://i18n.kde.org/

>Deutsche KDE-Uebersetzung: http://i18n.kde.org/teams/de/

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>Message: 14

>charset="iso-8859-1"

>From: Thomas Diehl

>To: Matthias Kiefer

>Subject: Re: KDE Arabic Support/Arabeyes

>Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 10:51:23 +0200

>Cc: Lars Knoll , doc at arabeyes dot org,

>Arash Zeini , Meni Livne

>Reply-To: doc at arabeyes dot org

>Am Donnerstag, 30. August 2001 09:45 schrieb Matthias Kiefer:

> > I am sorry, that I don't have the time to work on KBabel at the moment.

> > So feel free to add support for arabic into KBabel (HEAD Branch)

> > yourself. I also don't know if and when I will find the time to port

> > KBabel to Qt 3, so if you are willing to do something at this problem, I

> > would be very grateful.

> >

> > Of course I am willing to help you by answering question you have about

> > KBabel.

>Well, this is quite a blow to KDE translation, esp. since KDE3 was meant to

>be a big i18n hit and the almost all translators totally rely on KBabel.

>Lars Knoll is probably busy enough with Qt and other work. But maybe he

>could be of some help with porting KBabel to Qt3 and implementing bidi

>KDE translation: http://i18n.kde.org/

>Deutsche KDE-Uebersetzung: http://i18n.kde.org/de/

>--__--__--

>Message: 15

>From: Lars Knoll

>Organization: Troll Tech AS

>To: Thomas Diehl , Matthias Kiefer

>Subject: Re: KDE Arabic Support/Arabeyes

>Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:03:52 +0200

>Cc: doc at arabeyes dot org, Arash Zeini ,

>Meni Livne

>Reply-To: doc at arabeyes dot org

>On Thursday 30 August 2001 10:51, Thomas Diehl wrote:

> > Am Donnerstag, 30. August 2001 09:45 schrieb Matthias Kiefer:

> > > I am sorry, that I don't have the time to work on KBabel at the moment.

> > > So feel free to add support for arabic into KBabel (HEAD Branch)

> > > yourself. I also don't know if and when I will find the time to port

> > > KBabel to Qt 3, so if you are willing to do something at this problem, I

> > > would be very grateful.

> > >

> > > Of course I am willing to help you by answering question you have about

> > > KBabel.

> >

> > Well, this is quite a blow to KDE translation, esp. since KDE3 was meant to

> > be a big i18n hit and the almost all translators totally rely on KBabel.

> >

> > Lars Knoll is probably busy enough with Qt and other work. But maybe he

> > could be of some help with porting KBabel to Qt3 and implementing bidi

> > support to it. (?)

>Shouldn't be too hard to to. I could maybe have a look at this next week or

>the week after. I think we will need to wait until kdelibs have stabilized a

>bit for that anyway.

>Lars

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