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Well,

I need the Arabic plurals and singulars to go into a database where when you
search for a word, you will have both either way the plurals or the singulars
come up. That's really what I have to say so far I am still trying to figure
it out first --I have to find the data then I can do stuff with it without
data can't do anything.

Thanks,
Sara

On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:51:03 -0600 developer-request at arabeyes dot org wrote:

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>    1. Re: Broken Arabic Plurals and singulars
> (Mohammed Elzubeir)
>    2. Re: Maalam Status (Mohammed Elzubeir)
>    3. Re: Maalam Status (Youcef-Rabah Rahal)
>    4. cvs notifications (Mohammed Elzubeir)
>    5. Re: LyX - Arabic Patch (Nadim Shaikli)
>    6. Re: LyX - Arabic Patch (Isam Bayazidi)
>    7. Re: LyX - Arabic Patch (Mohamed Kebdani)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 00:02:25 -0600
> From: Mohammed Elzubeir 
> To: developer at arabeyes dot org
> Subject: Re: Broken Arabic Plurals and
> singulars
> Reply-To: developer at arabeyes dot org
> 
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> On Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 11:47:34PM -0500, sara
> mraish wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >=20
> > Does anyone knows where to find a list that
> already exist on Arabic broken
> > plurals and their singulars.
> > I need to use it for IR application.
> >=20
> 
> I can tell you, but you would have to first
> explain what you are working on,
> and how it is going to be used ;) I am very
> interested in what you are real=
> ly
> trying to do -- ie. the end product. So, let's
> make it interesting ;) You t=
> ell
> me this, and I can tell you all about what you
> need.
> 
> later
> --=20
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 00:34:25 -0600
> From: Mohammed Elzubeir 
> To: developer at arabeyes dot org
> Subject: Re: Maalam Status
> Reply-To: developer at arabeyes dot org
> 
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> On Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 08:09:37AM +0100,
> Youcef-Rabah Rahal wrote:
> > Salam to All !
> >=20
> > For those who forgot me (which would be quite
> normal ;)), I'm the author =
> of=20
> > these two posts:
> >
> http://www.arabeyes.org/archives/developer/2002/July/msg00015.html
> >
> http://www.arabeyes.org/archives/developer/2002/September/msg00029.html
> > I have been quite busy working on my thesis,
> so forgive me for my silence=
> ,=20
> > but I swear that I'm still active ;)
> >=20
> > In my second post I talked about a new
> project, which now I decided to na=
> me=20
> > Maalam ("coordinate plane" in English or
> "rep?re" in French). I have=20
> > started this program some months ago just to
> test xlib programming to dra=
> w=20
> > scientific plots. It became now very
> ambitious and is in a good progress=
> =20
> > rate.
> >=20
> Salam Youcef,
> 
> I am glad that you have been working on
> something all this time ;) I would
> suggest you apply for a cvs account by
> registering here:
> http://www.arabeyes.org/register.php
> 
> I am making the assumption that you would like
> to put it on CVS.
> 
> > So thank you for reading such a long message.
> I just wanted to say that I=
> 'm=20
> > not dead yet ;) and give a report on the work
> achieved.
> 
> I would also put this email in a README file or
> something similar to be part
> of the documentation when you import the
> project. I will then create a proj=
> ect
> page for it and we can have it tracked as it
> goes ;)=20
> >=20
> > Nedless to say that I would be very glad and
> grateful to receive any=20
> > comments, queries, questions or suggestions
> from All.
> >=20
> 
> I have a suggestion though. I'm not sure what
> your background is, but I wou=
> ld
> start querying teachers (math teachers
> specifically) for things they would
> like to see in such a program. As it is, it
> sounds like good ideas and no
> specific usage. I may be wrog, so do feel free
> to correct me ;)=20
> 
> later
> --=20
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> Message: 3
> From: "Youcef-Rabah Rahal" 
> To: developer at arabeyes dot org
> Subject: Re: Maalam Status
> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:28:44 +0100
> Reply-To: developer at arabeyes dot org
> 
> 
> >From: Mohammed Elzubeir 
> >Reply-To: developer at arabeyes dot org
> >To: developer at arabeyes dot org
> >Subject: Re: Maalam Status
> >Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 00:34:25 -0600
> 
> >Salam Youcef,
> 
> Wa alaikoum Es-Salam !
> 
> 
> 
> >I would suggest you apply for a cvs account by
> registering here:
> >http://www.arabeyes.org/register.php
> >I am making the assumption that you would like
> to put it on CVS.
> 
> I have just registered. However, the code and
> the dependencies are quite 
> dirty :) I don't know if it would be a good
> idea to put it right now on cvs. 
> But if I can later change easily things on cvs
> (directories for example), so 
> no problem in putting it on cvs (it would be
> anyway more secure for me ;))
> 
> >I would also put this email in a README file
> or something similar to be 
> >part
> >of the documentation when you import the
> project. I will then create a 
> >project
> >page for it and we can have it tracked as it
> goes ;)
> 
> OK ! and also a TODO file...
> 
> >I have a suggestion though. I'm not sure what
> your background is, but I 
> >would start querying teachers (math teachers
> specifically) for things they 
> >would like to see in such a program.
> 
> Well, I prepare a PhD in cosmology... I think
> that this background is quite 
> enough for the the small things I would like to
> start with in Maalam (Plots, 
> derivation, itegration etc). But you are right,
> and I have to ask teachers 
> (and users i general) about their needs. I have
> some contacts (teachers) in 
> this field from the arab world. Also, I think
> that more specific needs will 
> show up when people will start using it, hoping
> that someone would ever use 
> it ;)
> 
> >As it is, it sounds like good ideas and no
> >specific usage. I may be wrog, so do feel free
> to correct me ;)
> 
> As I said, the main goal is to create a program
> that draws plots the "right 
> way", because at least for myself I felt the
> need to use one. In the 
> scientific field there are programs used for
> creating plots from data that 
> then can be included in articles, thesis etc.
> I
> Examples
> --------
> Microcal ( http://www.microcal.com/ ) have a
> product named Origin that works 
> on Widows. See some screenshots here 
>
http://www.originlab.com/www/resources/graph_gallery/subjectindextemplate.asp?CatagoryID=Physical+Sciences
> 
> . The particle physicists have a Program named
> Paw that works on unix (see 
> http://wwwinfo.cern.ch/asd/paw ) and the
> Astronomers have IDL (see 
> http://www.rsinc.com/idl/index.asp )
> 
> Also, beside having an arabic program that does
> such things (with the same 
> quality or better ;)), I thought it would be
> nice to provide our community 
> with features like those of mathematica or
> matlab. I admit that this is very 
> ambitious but why not ;) ?
> 
> I hope it is enough clear... But if it is't,
> please ask me again ;)
> 
> Ciao,
> 
> Youcef.
> 
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
> MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense
> comme vous ! 
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> 
> 
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> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:44:15 -0600
> From: Mohammed Elzubeir 
> To: developer at arabeyes dot org
> Subject: cvs notifications
> Reply-To: developer at arabeyes dot org
> 
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> 
> Salam,
> 
> I have made a few changes on the cvs server
> side that would allow
> me to map multiple cvs users to one unix user.
> This is to avoid
> having to create unix users for each cvs
> committer (they're all
> with no shell -- well, the vast majority).=20
> 
> Unfortunately, this has had some side-effects
> since the script
> that runs everytime someone does a cvs commit
> grabs the user
> info from the uid.=20
> 
> What this means to you is that the notification
> emails right
> now are currently blocked. So, you will not
> receive notifications
> of cvs commits for awhile (until I adapt the
> script to the
> new setup).
> 
> I apologize for the inconvenience.
> --=20
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:11:21 -0800 (PST)
> From: Nadim Shaikli 
> Subject: Re: LyX - Arabic Patch
> To: developer at arabeyes dot org
> Reply-To: developer at arabeyes dot org
> 
> --- Isam Bayazidi  wrote:
> > 
> [snip snip]
> >
> > see the shaping in LyX working fine for
> Arabic
> > 
> > There is still one issue in LyX shaping that
> this patch does not address .. 
> > that is the Complex Letters .. there are some
> glyphs in Arabic that are a 
> > combination of 2 letters ( one glyph for 2
> letters) .. it highly increase 
> > readability in a way that it is very
> nessesary .. I was not sure what to do 
> > about it, specialy that it may involve heavy
> changes in other files in Lyx 
> > that I do not want to combine with simple
> patch ..
> > If you happen to know that there is a way
> already in Lyx to make 2 letters 
> > show in the screen as one Glyph please tell
> me .. 
> 
> Isam, I know nothing about LyX (its usage or
> code :-), but you
> might want to look into whether LyX supports
> Korean (Hangul). 
> Hangul requires the notion of "composing"
> characters similar to
> what the LAM_ALEF requires and so you can play
> some tricks along
> those lines in possibly using pre-existing LyX
> code.  I'm not sure
> if the same thing is also evident/required in
> Chinese (something
> to investigate).  In short, look over the Lyx
> code and search for
> 'compose' or 'composing' characters (and see if
> there is support
> for Hangul and/or Chinese, etc).  Various asian
> languages require
> the ability to compose - its then a question of
> whether LyX supports
> those languages or not.
> 
> Another thing to also test out and think about
> regarding LyX is
> whether the various 'Tanween' characters will
> work properly :-)
> These two topics are rather related.
> 
> Not much help I'm sure, but its a start.
> 
> Salam.
> 
>  - Nadim
> 
> 
> __________________________________________________
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> --__--__--
> 
> Message: 6
> From: Isam Bayazidi 
> To: developer at arabeyes dot org
> Subject: Re: LyX - Arabic Patch
> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:34:04 +0200
> Reply-To: developer at arabeyes dot org
> 
> On Monday 18 November 2002 21:11, Nadim Shaikli
> wrote:
> > Isam, I know nothing about LyX (its usage or
> code :-), but you
> > might want to look into whether LyX supports
> Korean (Hangul).
> > Hangul requires the notion of "composing"
> characters similar to
> > what the LAM_ALEF requires and so you can
> play some tricks along
> > those lines in possibly using pre-existing
> LyX code.  I'm not sure
> > if the same thing is also evident/required in
> Chinese (something
> > to investigate).  In short, look over the Lyx
> code and search for
> > 'compose' or 'composing' characters (and see
> if there is support
> > for Hangul and/or Chinese, etc).  Various
> asian languages require
> > the ability to compose - its then a question
> of whether LyX supports
> > those languages or not.
> 
> Thanks Nadim.. I will look upon it when I have
> more time .. I do not think it 
> will be soon .. so if any available excited
> developer is waiting for a chance 
> .. here it comes
> 
> 
> > Another thing to also test out and think
> about regarding LyX is
> > whether the various 'Tanween' characters will
> work properly :-)
> > These two topics are rather related.
> 
> mm .. Thank you for reminding me of the harakat
> .. indeed there is some 
> probelms with them .. The Shadda ,Tanween
> Fareh,Tanween Kaser, and Tanween 
> Dam is not working as well .. while Fatha,
> Kasra, Damma, and Sokoon are 
> working .. strange .. it seems that the
> non-working are forgoten when done 
> the shaping algorithem .. 
> 
> ( http://www.unicode.org/glossary/ Look at
> Harakat definition, it seems that 
> Unicode got it all :-)  )
> 
> 
> Thanks Nadim .. and I am waiting for someone to
> jump in
> 
> Yours
> Isam Bayazidi
> 
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> 
> Message: 7
> From: Mohamed Kebdani 
> To: developer at arabeyes dot org
> Subject: Re: LyX - Arabic Patch
> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:50:12 +0000
> Reply-To: developer at arabeyes dot org
> 
> Le Lundi 18 Novembre 2002 22:34, Isam Bayazidi
> a =C3=A9crit :
> [...]
> > Thanks Nadim.. I will look upon it when I
> have more time .. I do not th=
> ink
> > it will be soon .. so if any available
> excited developer is waiting for=
>  a
> > chance .. here it comes
> >
> > > Another thing to also test out and think
> about regarding LyX is
> > > whether the various 'Tanween' characters
> will work properly :-)
> > > These two topics are rather related.
> >
> > mm .. Thank you for reminding me of the
> harakat .. indeed there is some
> > probelms with them .. The Shadda ,Tanween
> Fareh,Tanween Kaser, and Tanw=
> een
> > Dam is not working as well .. while Fatha,
> Kasra, Damma, and Sokoon are
> > working .. strange .. it seems that the
> non-working are forgoten when d=
> one
> > the shaping algorithem ..
> >
>  Salam Isam,
> 
>   This is my experience with LyX:
> 
>   When I am using ISO10646-1 (with Tahoma
> fonts) In LyX Version 1.2.1, th=
> e=20
> Shadda and Tanween Kasr work but not Tanween
> Fath and Tanween Dam and the=
> =20
> shaping is not good.
> 
>  http://noc-webserver.iam.net.ma/~kebdani1/downloads/lyx_harakat_unicode.=
> png
> 
>  When I am using ISO8859-6.8x (with Naskhi
> fonts) In the same version of =
> LyX:=20
> All of the harakats work well and the shaping
> is good except the Mad=20
> (CTRL-J):
> 
> http://noc-webserver.iam.net.ma/~kebdani1/downloads/lyx_harakat_iso6.png
> 
>  Thanks,
> 
> Mohamed
> salam
> 
> > ( http://www.unicode.org/glossary/ Look at
> Harakat definition, it seems
> > that Unicode got it all :-)  )
> >
> >
> > Thanks Nadim .. and I am waiting for someone
> to jump in
> >
> > Yours
> > Isam Bayazidi
> >
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