Re: Arabeyes -- a critique

[Arafat Medini <arafato at gmail dot com>]

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From: Arafat Medini <arafato at gmail dot com>
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:34:21 +0100
Subject: Re: Arabeyes -- a critique
To: Samy Al Bahra <samy at kerneled dot org>


On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 04:49:14 +0300, Samy Al Bahra <samy at kerneled dot org> wrote:
> On Yaum al-Jumma 03 Thu al-Hijjah 1425 10:31 pm, Arafat Medini wrote:
> > Salam,
> >
> > What I am really frustrated about is only one thing, that we are too
> > few people to really do something.
>
> I am really frustrated that we are too few *LAZY* people.

Well as long as I am concerned I feel I did my Job, still for some
time now I am VERY busy with personal life... And when I mean busy,
then I mean busy to death.

> As ElZubeir (see suffering bastard) stated in such a concise and wonderful
> manner, stagnantation of the Arabeyes project is the result of our
> community's environment. Sure, it's friendly and professional, but it is far
> from nurturing.

You have to nurture yourself, best would be when I come to you with a
milk bottle after you wrote some code hein???

>
> The above are examples of wonderful and innovative software projects started
> (and some still) on the backs of only a handful of individuals. With a good
> technical backhand and some motivation, these projects came to reality.
> Arabeyes lacks the technical backhand.

Well sure laziness is a problem yes, definetely. Still the projects
you are mentioning are not big scale projects like ours. No one could
manage gnome or KDE alone for eg. and so for Arabeyes. And that's the
problem if we want to be bigger (and that's what Elzubair wants) then
we need far more people.

> A lot of the developers do not know where to contribute next because they do
> not know how to (be it experience or knowledge).

I hate this slowly coming concensus about ourselves being so dumb that
we can't do anything. Well if you want to call yourself dumb please do
it but not me. If I wanted to write my own gnome app I would learn C,
learn gnome apis and after three years I'll make an ill app, and after
four I'll be a star in the FOSS world, don't believe me? go ask Havoc
pennington or Marco pesenti gritti, what a shit...

> an amazing force with this mentoring program as it not only fosters knowledge
> (hell, this is enough to drive AE) but will foster growth of OSS developers
> in the Arab world.

And again some new burocracy and everyone is happy... But the REAL
work I am asking for it for years doesn't get tackled. If you want to
help be the maintainer of QAC for eg.!

> I am saddened to hear that you think OSS was never innovative, but I am happy
> to tell you that this statement must come from ignorance. OSS is the breath
> of innovation. Tell me one new innovative software technology today that is
> not or did not originate or perfect its form in the open-source arena?

Yeah I saw innovation sprakling in the FOSS world, please name to me
ONE and only one innovation in the FOSS world?

Firefox? see Opera
Mono? well ... .net
what else ? KDEs bloated monstrousity???

Please name ONE innovation, FOSS people are proud to copy things from
the others! I'm saying this not from ignorance but after a long
conversation with Miguel de Icaza.

> The Arabic world is practically non-existant in support? What about these
> developers and translators? We *are* the representation of open-source in the
> Arab world, we have a responsibility to make sure we support ourselves.

Yeah I'll write the software and do it for myself and I'll be happy
because me and some 10 others are using it, wonderful...
NO I want an imam in the middle of nowhere in Mauritania to have a 386
pc and use gedit in Arabic then I'll be REALLY proud of myself.

> I believe ElZubeir's mentoring program should be taken into deep study soon,
> very soon. It will be the greatest move AE will make, no questions asked, no
> doubts.

It seems you Arabic people like burocracy I'm really wondering why.

" should be taken into deep study soon" this quote could have been
taken from an Arabic minister hehe...

my answer:
" yes yes we will take this into deep concideration, and with the help
of Allah and our president our mukhattat (plan) will be a big
success"...

I'm not a monkey and I'll never become one thanx.

Arafat