Re: do we need any arabeyes ?

[Arafat Medini <lumina at silverpen dot de>]

Am Son, 2003-04-20 um 20.32 schrieb Youcef Rabah Rahal:
> Salam,
> 
> About the development projects. I am not sure 'killing' some or all of them 
> will be a solution:
> 
> 1- I'm not sure the actual developers are interested in translation. So 
> killing the projects won't get you more translators.
> 
I disn't meen we need to kill projects to get more develpers, I mean we
need to kill projects to get more programmers work on lesser projects.

> 2- Development projects have a VERY different life-cycle than translation 
> projects. Translation is (and has to be) linear, while development can go 
> fast or slow depending on MANY factors: technical difficulties, inspiration 
> etc. And saying that the current projects are dead or trying to compare them 
> to KDE or GNOME translation is not correct.
Comparig projects to KDE or GNOME translation is not correct, still
comparing KDE to gnome is IMHO correct.

> 
> 3- I think that having many arabic-centric (but not limited to arabs) 
> open-source software is a priority for many reasons. If you still don't know 
> why, or you don't know what are our goals, please browse the arabeyes.org 
> website.
Sure I know what our goals are, the problem is another one, how can we
attain our goals?



> About paying or prizing the translators or developers, i totally disagree 
> with the idea. But I am rather OK with a moral prizing ;-) But I know that 
> many share your view, so this denotes only my personal point of view.
Paying, sure no. But Prazing wouldn't be bad ;) what About a trip to Bahrain :D


> About recruiting, I'm personally OK with that. But again, we have to find 
> the solutions first. Posting many 'job positions' won't get us anywhere if 
> those people will say 'I want to help' then disappear after 2 days.
Well I'll ask two I know why they disappeared, this would help alot I
suppose.


> If people (those who personally said I want to help and registered for 
> accounts) can't help anymore, or can't help for a limited period of time, 
> then letting others (those in the same project) know is a MINIMUM.
I totally agree here.


> About meetings, we can meet daily if you want ;-)
> 
> Salam,
> 
> Youcef.
> 
> PS: If you want to avoid forgetting people working in translation, take a 
> look at:
> http://lists.arabeyes.org/archives/cvs/2003/April/author.html
> or:
> http://lists.arabeyes.org/archives/cvs/2003/April/subject.html
> 
> 
> >From: Arafat Medini
> >Subject: Re: do we need any arabeyes ?
> >Date: 20 Apr 2003 18:57:37 +0200
> >
> >Salam
> >
> >The first Q is obvious, by speaking with people and encouraging them to
> >work with us. What about sending all the user groups an email with a
> >request to post some Job offerings!!! I want to do that. And I'll make
> >this but I need the approval of the big three (4?)
> >
> >How can we make them acitve... I don't know! From my experience, I had a
> >goal I wanted to reach something which I was working for. I'm sure if
> >you make a goal for people they'll work for it. Maybe some prices? Maybe
> >a honoring interview, maybe money!!! But at the end the programmers,
> >translators,etc... Have to know they're doing the Job for every Arab out
> >there, I mean thaT's a big problem. Maybe the question would be how can
> >we make the "workers" believe in themselves in the Arab world and the
> >work they are doing for the Arab world, this is really a whole other
> >story...
> >
> >How can we keep the active volunteers interested I think that answer to
> >question 2 is the same for this Q, maybe more rights in affecting
> >Arabeyes? I suppose if the orginiztion becames more dynamic. People will
> >get under pressure and work also.
> >
> >"Will we attain our goals with the current configuration", What are our
> >goals? Translation? Let me be sincere, at the gnome front I am the only
> >person who's working very hard now. And I know I can't make it all
> >alone. Mr. Abdin is still present and I'm waiting for him to help
> >because he's a very good translator (Hassan where are you? ;) ) on the
> >KDE fron it seems, from the post of Elzubair, nothing is going. On the
> >other fronts I have a point of critics which sure many will not agree
> >with. We have too many little projects. What will a gnome quran do? I
> >mean Allahu akbar our Religion is for us more important then the air we
> >breathe, but is a gnome quran really the answer? And many projects are
> >apparently dead. Or not? no one really knows...
> >My Idea would be, clean up dead or semi-dead projects. Make a lean
> >orginization, I'm sure this is very unlickely to happen, but I still
> >think this will make the whole prject smaller yes but clearer. On top of
> >that we can build now goals. We have to set-up new goals. Why not let us
> >all make every month a meeting. We have to speak more, we have to work
> >more, we have to work on less things and we have to get more people.
> >"work more, get more, on less" this is a nice slogan.
> >
> >cheers
> 
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