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Re: do we need any arabeyes ?



Salam,

About the development projects. I am not sure 'killing' some or all of them will be a solution:

1- I'm not sure the actual developers are interested in translation. So killing the projects won't get you more translators.

2- Development projects have a VERY different life-cycle than translation projects. Translation is (and has to be) linear, while development can go fast or slow depending on MANY factors: technical difficulties, inspiration etc. And saying that the current projects are dead or trying to compare them to KDE or GNOME translation is not correct.

3- I think that having many arabic-centric (but not limited to arabs) open-source software is a priority for many reasons. If you still don't know why, or you don't know what are our goals, please browse the arabeyes.org website.

About paying or prizing the translators or developers, i totally disagree with the idea. But I am rather OK with a moral prizing ;-) But I know that many share your view, so this denotes only my personal point of view.

About recruiting, I'm personally OK with that. But again, we have to find the solutions first. Posting many 'job positions' won't get us anywhere if those people will say 'I want to help' then disappear after 2 days.

If people (those who personally said I want to help and registered for accounts) can't help anymore, or can't help for a limited period of time, then letting others (those in the same project) know is a MINIMUM.

About meetings, we can meet daily if you want ;-)

Salam,

Youcef.

PS: If you want to avoid forgetting people working in translation, take a look at:
http://lists.arabeyes.org/archives/cvs/2003/April/author.html
or:
http://lists.arabeyes.org/archives/cvs/2003/April/subject.html



From: Arafat Medini
Subject: Re: do we need any arabeyes ?
Date: 20 Apr 2003 18:57:37 +0200

Salam

The first Q is obvious, by speaking with people and encouraging them to
work with us. What about sending all the user groups an email with a
request to post some Job offerings!!! I want to do that. And I'll make
this but I need the approval of the big three (4?)

How can we make them acitve... I don't know! From my experience, I had a
goal I wanted to reach something which I was working for. I'm sure if
you make a goal for people they'll work for it. Maybe some prices? Maybe
a honoring interview, maybe money!!! But at the end the programmers,
translators,etc... Have to know they're doing the Job for every Arab out
there, I mean thaT's a big problem. Maybe the question would be how can
we make the "workers" believe in themselves in the Arab world and the
work they are doing for the Arab world, this is really a whole other
story...

How can we keep the active volunteers interested I think that answer to
question 2 is the same for this Q, maybe more rights in affecting
Arabeyes? I suppose if the orginiztion becames more dynamic. People will
get under pressure and work also.

"Will we attain our goals with the current configuration", What are our
goals? Translation? Let me be sincere, at the gnome front I am the only
person who's working very hard now. And I know I can't make it all
alone. Mr. Abdin is still present and I'm waiting for him to help
because he's a very good translator (Hassan where are you? ;) ) on the
KDE fron it seems, from the post of Elzubair, nothing is going. On the
other fronts I have a point of critics which sure many will not agree
with. We have too many little projects. What will a gnome quran do? I
mean Allahu akbar our Religion is for us more important then the air we
breathe, but is a gnome quran really the answer? And many projects are
apparently dead. Or not? no one really knows...
My Idea would be, clean up dead or semi-dead projects. Make a lean
orginization, I'm sure this is very unlickely to happen, but I still
think this will make the whole prject smaller yes but clearer. On top of
that we can build now goals. We have to set-up new goals. Why not let us
all make every month a meeting. We have to speak more, we have to work
more, we have to work on less things and we have to get more people.
"work more, get more, on less" this is a nice slogan.

cheers


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