Re: Arabeyes -- a critique

[belahcene abdelkader <belahcene at yahoo dot com>]

Salam oualaykoum,
First I send this mail to a personal email, because,
each time I send it to general at arabeyes dot org, I receive
 a fail because bounce ...., althought i am
suscribed!!!

This is our   first problem, I can send a message to
any list without problem, but arabeyes. is there any
right and rational reason to stop a message

best regards
salam
abdelkader



--- Mohammed Elzubeir <elzubeir at arabeyes dot org> wrote:

> On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 09:31 +0100, Arafat Medini
> wrote:
> >
> > [..]
> >
> > What do the questions have to do with the answers
> you gave I don't see
> > a relation btw doing translation for 20 years and
> Arabeyes being
> > degraded to "its initial state...".
> > 
> 
> ie. we are not growing but shrinking.
> 
> > Hmm, sure we are no experts but from my experience
> for eg. I started
> > and barely could write an arabic word with my PC
> today I know enough
> > to claim that I am doing concise and precise
> translations. What I want
> > to say is that you are not born as an expert you
> become one whether by
> > self-lerning or by learning from others.
> 
> Absolutely -- I am not debating that, that's not the
> point.
> 
> > Sure a mentor program is good still do you want to
> make every newcomer
> > go through a mentor program? Ok loose every
> newcomer then by now?
> > Better have a bad translation then no translation,
> and this brings me
> > to the first point, AS you are speaking about
> translation efforts
> > where is the new horizon you wanted to show us by
> questioning the fact
> > that we are only translating software...
> > 
> 
> We should be thinking of creating new things --
> that's all I'm saying.
> 
> > We still have problems ordering our internals, I
> think that's why
> > people can't really focus over the big picture. On
> the other hand
> > efforts like standardization and making Arabeyes a
> legal entity are
> > right steps in that direction. And also, what do
> you want Arabeys to
> 
> Yes, it is a necessary step.
> 
> > be ? Arabeyes is a project which incorporates
> nearly everything from
> > fonts to software regarding Arabic and FOSS. I
> personally always
> > thought we are even doing too much! Still we don't
> have enough money
> > nor people to even make basic things as translate
> KDE for eg.
> > I want to say, yeah let us even redefine Arabeyes
> to a food maker but
> > how? If you don't have enough resources.
> > 
> 
> You are hitting the main point. We don't have a
> long-term plan.
> 
> > Well I don't care much about fame or prizes, at
> the end what really
> > matters (in the deb case) is that you have an
> Arabic installation
> > procedure, if we can participate in any form why
> not? What the other
> > ppl think of us good or bad does not interest me
> to be honest. If the
> > product works with 10% or 90% help from us then
> great Arabic works
> > under FOSS, goal reached, let's move to the next.
> > 
> 
> That's not the point. Sure, we want to have full
> Arabic support --
> whether it comes from Arabeyes or someone else.
> However, the real
> question is, then what? 
> 
> Regards,
> Mohammed Elzubeir
> 
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