Re: Questions about yeh, hamzah on yeh, alef maksura and dotless ba

["Thomas Milo" <t dot milo at chello dot nl>]

Gregg,

You do have a point. Yet, the first one I looked at has no final dots
anywhere
(http://ddc.aub.edu.lb/projects/jafet/manuscripts/alsahifa/html/255l.html).
The second one is inconsistent
(http://ddc.aub.edu.lb/projects/jafet/manuscripts/taabeer-al-manam/html/005a
.html). I have images of mus'hafs that use points throughout on any final
yeh-curve, regardless the semantics, something I also noticed in the second
example (laylae with dots)

Anyway, regarding Qur'anic spelling, it would be nice if you could find a
manuscript that uses dots to distinguish betsween yeh and maqsura.

t



Gregg Reynolds wrote:
>> Gregg Reynolds wrote:
>>
>>> Meor Ridzuan Meor Yahaya wrote:
>>  >
>>>> and maybe sometimes 649, by some users. What I understood from my
>>>> research is, traditionally, the final yeh does not come with the
>>>> dots. It was used mainly by non arabic speaker. Later one, it was
>>>> somehow adopted by arabic speaker somehow.
>>>
>>
>> Hi again, Meor,
>>
>> Don't belief everything you read on the web.  ;)
>>
>>>
>>> FYI, this may be true historically, but in my opinion it is not
>>
>> I correct myself: it is demonstrably *not* true historically.  See
>>
>> http://ddc.aub.edu.lb/projects/jafet/manuscripts/
>>
>> which, aside from being an amazing online resource of very old Arabic
>> texts, provides numerous examples of dotted final yeh in Abbasid,
>> Fatimid, and other manuscripts.
>>
>> If that doesn't establish use of final dotted yeh as normal,
>> standard, Arabic, I don't know what does.
>>
>> (And regarding "foreign" in Arabic, considering the greatest of all
>> Arab grammarians was a Persian who learned Arabic as a second
>> language
>>
(http://www.hf.uio.no/ikos/studier/fag/arabisk/sibawayhi/HomePage/kitab.htm,
>> where, btw, you can find more examples of dotted final yeh in
>> scanned manuscripts), and that many of the finest poets and writers
>> in the tradition were not native speakers, I don't see the use of
>> the whole discussion.  Dotted final yeh was historically and remains
>> today ordinary and correct in written Arabic.  Same for dottless
>> final yeh.)
>>
>> -gregg
>>
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