On Mon, 2004-02-23 at 16:10, Arafat Medini wrote: > > First of all you are not making PC interfaces for yourself. I am not a > moralist and I don't intend to be a world-changer or a romantic > avangardist. I am a romantic and I do intend to change what little part of the world I can. So, we are different, big deal ;) > My point as I said it many times ago is very pragmatic, I myself am not > interested really in which is better for itself or for making the world > better, my interest is only which one eases the user? > You raised a VERY interesting point here: do ppl really have a > psychological problem when coming in contact with interfaces? > Being a romantic does not mean I do not intend to be pragmatic in the way I do things. You should know me better than this. Do people have a problem when contacting awkward interfaces? Absolutely. Human-Machine Interface design is a science by itself. > First of all, all the ppl I met had never used windows in Arabic even I > never used it, so we are not influnced by psychic microzift rays ;) > I have conducted my own little survey here in the office. People who use MS-Windows localized version. Guess what, they would rather be ordering the computer. > Elzubair, and I am meaning this sincerely, maybe you have a personal > problem with this:"This subject makes me so irritable" > Arafat, one of the primary reasons why I started the Aunyx project (which pre-dates Arabeyes) is because of this particular issue. In other words, this specifically was one of my biggest "itches". So when I see someone like you lobbying to go the other direction, it does raise a very big red alarm. > (I am not interested in the KDE people they have to make their own mind, > and I also make my own mind.) You are mistaken here, because whatever is finally decided will be applicable to all Arabic translations conducted via Arabeyes. As a coordinator for GNOME, I would think you should be interested. > IMO if I have an interface I would never concider it a living being, I > would never say to the interface "DO THIS" > "DO THAT" normally human beings only use the direct form when they are > in a reciprocal relation in a situation were both parts are in dynamic > btw each other. > With an interface you only press buttons or read a bottle, it's NOT a > reciprocal situation. > when you have for eg. a dog you would say to him: eat or play with me. > Again, you are wrong. That is what 'user-friendly' is all about. In order to be friendly to a user, the user must feel that they are communicating with something, as opposed to talking in abstract forms. > [..] > > Think about this situation now: a man besides his car and says to > it:"iftahi" ppl will say he is crazy, BUT if he says:"fath" they'll be > interested in what this masdar will lead to... > Frankly, I would think the person is crazy if he says "fath" to his car. Unless he's calling the militant group (in which case I would jump for cover) ;) > [..] > > As said this was never really interesting for me, MY point was always: > 99% of the users "want" masdar so to get them work with linux in a > plug-and-play manner and don't irritate them let us make it like that. > If the users you have asked have never used MS-Windows, what exactly have they used? And, how can you call them users if they haven't used a localized interface before? > [..] > > > QAC members.. whenever you have your meeting, _I_ WILL BE PRESENT just > > for this issue. Frankly I am sick of seeing it come up again. > > I could simply ignore it and complete my work like I do believe but this > is not right. That's way it keeps up coming so that we all can discuss > it. I wanted to reraise the problem to get discussion on it, this was > intentional ;) > You can't really do that, and you know it ;) This is a group project and 'continuing to work' as you like simply is not going to work. Don't make me start counting the things I ended up having to do despite my disagreement with it, because I was overruled by the group ;) > > And you are about to meet the harder liner. Ladies and gentlemen, > > welcome to the show ;) > Is there something to win? Man you're living in the UAE give me some gold ;) > Nah.. just a friendly "fight" ;) As Nadim likes to say, "the best idea wins" -- and I'm sure my idea is the best ;) Regards -- ------------------------------------------------------- | Mohammed Elzubeir | Visit us at: | | | http://www.arabeyes.org/ | | Arabeyes Project | Homepage: | | Unix the 'right' way | http://elzubeir.fakkir.net/ | -------------------------------------------------------
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