Re: Minutes from 19 Dec 2003 pre QCC meeting

[Arafat Medini <lumina at silverpen dot de>]

THE QCC controls quality is it said by it's name : quality control
commitee, so the name is pretty fine.

One rule is the best way to go to not confuse the user, PLEASE PLEASE
PLEAE think about the NORMAL user, writing too much in an interface
makes the user totally frustrated, I am really rock solid on this and
I'll not give up using ONLY one rule mine or not that's not important
for me but it has to be ONE rule.

yours
Arafat

Am Sam, 2003-12-20 um 08.34 schrieb Youcef Rabah Rahal:
> Salam all,
> 
> On Friday 19 Dec 2003 at 20:00 UTC was held a meeting to discuss the Quality 
> Control Comitee creation. Due to the lack of participants, we simply 
> discussed the mandate/duties of the 'Comitee'. A new date/time has been 
> fixed to actually create the comitee.
> 
> Meeting from 20:10 to 21:35 UTC
> 
> Participants:
> ----------------
> - Hassan Abdin.
> - Ossama Khayat (late ;).
> - Arafat Medini
> - Youcef Rahal.
> - Nadim Shaikli (the first 20 minutes).
> - Munzir Taha.
> 
> Summary
> ------------
> (To the participants: this part contains only the summary. If you want to 
> manifest a personal point of view, don't hesitate).
> 
> The praticipants all agreed on the necessity to constitue this comitee in 
> order to preserve consistency among all Arabeyes translation projects. There 
> have been an agreement on these points concerning the mandate of the QCC:
> 
> 1/ The QCC will be in charge of approving/disapproving the existing PO 
> translations and suggesting new ones. This is done via the translation of a 
> "Technical Wordlist" which will regroup computer terms gathered by Nadim (!) 
> from GNOME/KDE/WhatEverElse POs. The details on how this will be done will 
> be discussed when the comitee is created.
> 
> 2/ The QCC will be in charge of writing documentation explaining how the 
> translation should be done in matter of the terms used, syntax etc. This 
> documentation is directed towards Arabeyes translators (newbies or not). 
> This also mean the maintain of the existing documantation (Arabic 
> Doumentation Standards, Translator Guide...).
> 
> 3/ The Comitee will not go and check the POs one by one inside each project. 
> It is the duty of the Coordinators and the translators to apply the QCC 
> directives and maintain the consistency inside their projects. The 
> coordinators have to actually make the control. Control means correcting the 
> translations and keeping the consistency inside the project POs and pointing 
> the working translatrors to the right translations. The comitee directives 
> are mandatory. However, some flexibility will be tolerated (by having more 
> than one translation per word for example).
> 
> 4/ A meeting will be held on Tuesday, 23 Dec 2003 at 06:00 UTC to actually 
> create the QCC. The presence of the Translation Coordinators is mandatory ! 
> Anyone else (who can actually give a bit of their time to this work) is 
> welcome.
> 
> ----------------------
> A few intersting points were also discussed, but were a little outide the 
> scope of the meeting. But they are definetly to be discussed by the QCC 
> after its creation:
> 
> 1/ We should not teach people the rules of the Arabic Grammar/Orthorgraph 
> (by writing docs) but simply point them to the existing resources. A 
> translator is supposed to know Arabic or to teach himself those rules. There 
> are already KDE/GNOME docs (Munzir). Yes, but Arabic has some specificities. 
> We can write docs with the few rules we want to apply inside Arabeyes 
> (Arafat,Ossama,Youcef).
> 
> 2/ An interesting discussion, raised by Arafat, took place on how the 
> actions should be translated: using 'fi3l amr' or 'masdar' ? It seems that 
> there are many contexts and _one_ rule may not be sufficient.
> 
> ----------------
> A few personal remarks:
> 
> 1/ I was expecting to actually create the QCC yesterday and start to do some 
> real work. I was rather disappointed to see the lack of participation. This 
> is a serious matter. The points discussed above have somehow been discussed 
> by email already. We are going in circles again. If you have some remarks 
> please confirm and be at the next meeting !
> 
> 2/ I am wondering if we could imagine a tool that would ease the coordinator 
> controling job. By a writing a few scripts ? (I don't have a clear idea on 
> how this could be done anyway).
> 
> 3/ Ossama, could you please write the agenda for the next meeting ?
> 
> 4/ Well, Since the QCC will not actually _control_ the translations, what 
> about an other name ?
> 
> -----
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Youcef.
> 
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