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Re: emacs-bidi - funtional/ready, now what ?
- To: TAKAHASHI Naoto <ntakahas at m17n dot org>
- Subject: Re: emacs-bidi - funtional/ready, now what ?
- From: Nadim Shaikli <shaikli at yahoo dot com>
- Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:02:58 -0800 (PST)
- Cc: emacs-bidi at gnu dot org, developer at arabeyes dot org
--- TAKAHASHI Naoto <ntakahas m17n org> wrote:
> Nadim Shaikli writes:
>
> > Greetings, now that emacs-bidi has been around for over 6-months
> > in its current very functional state, what can be said about its
> > future and its possible inclusion into emacs' CVS tree ?
>
> The current version never goes into the main tree. Actually, it uses
> algorithms that have already been rejected to be included.
Any further details ? Are there competing algorithms out there
that are deemed "acceptable" ?
> > 1. Post a reference on gnu.emacs.sources
> > 2. Ask for beta testers on gnu.emacs.help
>
> Advertising the current version is greatly welcome.
I'm a bit confused. If the algorithm has been rejected and passed
over what's the plan then ? Advertising the current code will
certainly get testers (or we all hope so), but then what ?
The algorithm will continue to be rejected, no ? or is there
hope that with enough users we can sway the decision makers ?
> > 3. Get the author to present a polished version of his changes to RMS
> > - they will then to go the Emacs Devel list, and be debated there
>
> A "pollished" version will not do; a drastic change is required.
Could you please elaborate on the "change".
> > Could someone with a bit more visibility into what's taking shape
> > within emacs let us know how best to proceed to make emacs-bidi an
> > included native functionality within emacs proper ?
>
> If someone writes better code for bidi, it may be included in the
> 'official' GNU Emacs. The problem is, none of the programmers who can do
> it has time to do it. If you know a capable programmer, please ask
> him/her to give us a hand.
"Better" how ? I unfortunately don't know (e)lisp and nor do I know
anyone how does which leaves us in a rather peculiar position. Has
RMS or the emacs developers given a clear statement on what it is
that they'd like to see or not (URL) ? Is there a means for us to
elevate Bidi's inclusion on their list of things to do ?
With most people short on time being the norm - is there a document or
a set of people with enough acumen that can put all those thoughts and
pointers into a document for someone to pick up ?
I guess to the state the obvious - emacs will NEVER have Bidi support
unless we make a clear and conscious decision to include it and abide
by any rules RMS or others dictate along the way - I'm simply searching
for a means to know how best to bring that forth; I wasn't aware that
the current code was rejected (nor did I see any discussion about that).
What's m17n's position on this ? It doesn't sound like you're going
any further with it - anyway to change that aspect of thing ?
Sorry for the many questions.
Regards.
- Nadim
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