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RE: Developer digest, Vol 1 #260 - 15 msgs
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- Subject: RE: Developer digest, Vol 1 #260 - 15 msgs
- From: "sara mraish" <saramraish at earthlink dot net>
- Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:11:03 -0800
- Importance: Normal
Salam,
My question is how can I normalize teh marbuta to replace the heh? Also, how
can I normalize the alif-maksura to yeh? So that I can use it in the
information retrieval when searching for a string. Arabic words must be
normalized before the text is ready for indexing, keyword searches, or text
manuipulation.
Thanks,
Sara
I am sorry, but I really am struggling to understand what you are asking fo=
r.
Normalize it where and for what? Could you please elaborate and be more
specific in your questions? Normalization is simply replacing one character
for another, more generic one. This is generally used in things such as
information retrieval to make it easier to search for a string in a large b=
ody
of text.
So, as you can see, I can't tell if you are simply talking about an editor
automagically normalizing TEH MARBOOTA to a HEH or if you are talking about
this being inside of an application that is IR related.
Thanks
--=20
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Newbie Introduction [revived] (NOUSHI Reda)
2. Re: gnomequran inquiry (NOUSHI Reda)
3. PuTTY: Some notes (alsayed)
4. PuTTY: (alsayed)
5. PuTTY: (alsayed)
6. PuTTY: Good Tutorial on character sets . (alsayed)
7. PuTTY: Great Article .... (alsayed)
8. Re: Newbie Introduction [revived] (Walid Shaari)
9. Re: Newbie Introduction [revived] (Walid Shaari)
10. Re: gnomequran inquiry (Mohammed Yousif)
11. Re: gnomequran inquiry (Mohammed Yousif)
12. Re: al quraan (Mohammed Yousif)
13. Re: normalize a teh-marbuta to a heh ( Sara Mraish)
14. Re: normalize a teh-marbuta to a heh (Mohammed Elzubeir)
15. Re: Newbie Introduction [revived] (Nadim Shaikli)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 08:56:57 +0100
From: NOUSHI Reda <noushi at enseirb dot fr>
To: developer at arabeyes dot org
Subject: Re: Newbie Introduction [revived]
Reply-To: developer at arabeyes dot org
Hi all,
Just to drop few things on emacs. you have
. ecb: which is a source browsing tool (recognizes functions...),
. tramp: which transparently gives you access to remote files, even if
you rsh/ssh/ftp to read/write them
. doxymacs : doxygen under emacs, http://www.doxygen.org
. w3-el-2? : web browser under emacs
. cvs-pcl : cvs
. irc/shell/mail/spellcheck...
This way you custom build your IDE.
It's worth mentioning that emacs is a text editor! :))))
regexp, pattern replace, keyword highlight...
Good luck,
Reda
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 09:11:45 +0100
From: NOUSHI Reda <noushi at enseirb dot fr>
To: developer at arabeyes dot org
Subject: Re: gnomequran inquiry
Reply-To: developer at arabeyes dot org
Hi again,
I've just read the 'Re: quran' thread!
I noticed something about quran_init():
why does quran_init() need to specify a language? Can't we have a step
where we get all the languages available? that would be called
quran_init(),
and then quran_open(<language>) does the previous quran_init() thing.
The point is that if we don't do that,
. what do we do when we don't find the first language? Why should we
assume that some language has to be present with libquran, even when
it's arabic! not all muslims understand arabic, and it takes place like
10megs (on my box, I struggle to get free megs in /)
. how to get the front-ends to know all the languages available?
. should we reinstall libquran or our frontends to make it see the new
language?
libquran is the most adequate to deal with that information.
Hope this can be of any use,
Reda
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Message: 3
From: "alsayed" <alsayed at mum dot mans dot edu dot eg>
To: <developer at arabeyes dot org>
Subject: PuTTY: Some notes
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 10:39:27 +0200
Organization: CITC- Mansura University
Reply-To: developer at arabeyes dot org
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Mr Kamal:
plz be patient with me since i steal minutes to work on this issue, =
i had the following old notes about PuTTY (i think you are already got =
it ).
1- Iam trying on GetGlyphOutLine() API and it doesont work with me , =
but i going to try again.
2- i had made the generic win32 application and it renders the text good =
fro rtl or ltr using only TextOut.
3- when displaying text on PuTTY is dispalys the text in some regions =
Perfect ! (i had noticed some words rendered correctly )
and i think the problem is that the text is rendered in chunks.
iam still working on GetGlyphOutLine() and please be patient with me :-)
you didnot tell me any thing about the glossary ?
iam here on line in chat (#arabeyes) from 10 am until 3pm in cairo time =
.(i had skipped proxy :) )
Sayed
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mr Kamal:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> plz be patient with =
me since i=20
steal minutes to work on this issue, i had the following old notes about =
PuTTY=20
(i think you are already got it ).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1- Iam trying on GetGlyphOutLine() =
API and it=20
doesont work with me , but i going to try again.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2- i had made the generic win32 =
application and it=20
renders the text good fro rtl or ltr using only TextOut.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>3- when displaying text on PuTTY is =
dispalys the=20
text in some regions Perfect ! (i had noticed some words rendered =
correctly=20
)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and i think the problem is that the =
text is=20
rendered in chunks.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>iam still working on GetGlyphOutLine() =
and please=20
be patient with me :-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>you didnot tell me any thing about the =
glossary=20
?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>iam here on line in chat (#arabeyes) =
from 10 am=20
until 3pm in cairo time .(i had skipped proxy :) )</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sayed</FONT></DIV>
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Message: 4
From: "alsayed" <alsayed at mum dot mans dot edu dot eg>
To: <developer at arabeyes dot org>
Subject: PuTTY:
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 10:49:19 +0200
Organization: CITC- Mansura University
Reply-To: developer at arabeyes dot org
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Have alook at this article , i will follow it
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=3D/library/en-us/dnaskd=
r/html/drgui55.asp
Sayed
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Have alook at this article , i will =
follow=20
it</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=3D/library/en-u=
s/dnaskdr/html/drgui55.asp">http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp=
?url=3D/library/en-us/dnaskdr/html/drgui55.asp</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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Message: 5
From: "alsayed" <alsayed at mum dot mans dot edu dot eg>
To: <developer at arabeyes dot org>
Subject: PuTTY:
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 10:51:28 +0200
Organization: CITC- Mansura University
Reply-To: developer at arabeyes dot org
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this link is alos valuable .
http://www.microsoft.com/typography/creators.htm
(iam very sad that i didnot submit code until now , but iam still =
searching on )
sayed
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>this link is alos valuable =
.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://www.microsoft.com/typography/creators.htm";>http://www.micr=
osoft.com/typography/creators.htm</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(iam very sad that i didnot submit code =
until now ,=20
but iam still searching on )</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>sayed</FONT></DIV>
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Message: 6
From: "alsayed" <alsayed at mum dot mans dot edu dot eg>
To: <developer at arabeyes dot org>
Subject: PuTTY: Good Tutorial on character sets .
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 11:01:45 +0200
Organization: CITC- Mansura University
Reply-To: developer at arabeyes dot org
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Sayed
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://www.microsoft.com/typography/unicode/cs.htm";>http://www.mi=
crosoft.com/typography/unicode/cs.htm</A></FONT></DIV>
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Message: 7
From: "alsayed" <alsayed at mum dot mans dot edu dot eg>
To: <developer at arabeyes dot org>
Subject: PuTTY: Great Article ....
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 11:22:43 +0200
Organization: CITC- Mansura University
Reply-To: developer at arabeyes dot org
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Mr Dalal Sorry for my links today , but i think i had found the one we =
look for see that article it dicuss in details all about Glyph =
processing .
http://www.microsoft.com/typography/developers/opentype/default.htm?fname=
=3D%20&fsize=3D
Sayed
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mr Dalal Sorry for my links today , but =
i think i=20
had found the one we look for see that article it dicuss in details all =
about=20
Glyph processing .</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://www.microsoft.com/typography/developers/opentype/default.h=
tm?fname=3D%20&fsize">http://www.microsoft.com/typography/developers/=
opentype/default.htm?fname=3D%20&fsize</A>=3D</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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Message: 8
Subject: Re: Newbie Introduction [revived]
From: Walid Shaari <ws070 at mdx dot ac dot uk>
To: developer at arabeyes dot org
Date: 09 Nov 2002 10:34:40 +0000
Reply-To: developer at arabeyes dot org
On Sat, 2002-11-09 at 07:56, NOUSHI Reda wrote:
> Hi all,
> Just to drop few things on emacs. you have
> . ecb: which is a source browsing tool (recognizes functions...),
> . tramp: which transparently gives you access to remote files, even if
> you rsh/ssh/ftp to read/write them
> . doxymacs : doxygen under emacs, http://www.doxygen.org
> . w3-el-2? : web browser under emacs
> . cvs-pcl : cvs
> . irc/shell/mail/spellcheck...
> This way you custom build your IDE.
> It's worth mentioning that emacs is a text editor! :))))
> regexp, pattern replace, keyword highlight...
Thanks Reda you forget to menetion ddd :), Is there a way to get up to
speed with Emacs with all of the above, a single good tutorial or howto
you have came across ? as I am planing to start using Emacs with the
bidi support.
Walid
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Message: 9
Subject: Re: Newbie Introduction [revived]
From: Walid Shaari <ws070 at mdx dot ac dot uk>
To: wolf <wolf at gnosyslb dot com>
Cc: developer at arabeyes dot org
Date: 09 Nov 2002 11:21:53 +0000
Reply-To: developer at arabeyes dot org
On Sat, 2002-11-09 at 10:49, wolf wrote:
> Hello,
>
> just read your message to the list,
> could you please post the info on emacs Bidi if you find any?
> thanks
>
http://www.m17n.org/emacs-bidi/
http://mail.gnu.org/pipermail/emacs-bidi/
walid
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Message: 10
From: Mohammed Yousif <mhdyousif at gmx dot net>
Organization: West Point for Advanced Systems
To: developer at arabeyes dot org
Subject: Re: gnomequran inquiry
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:07:09 +0200
Reply-To: developer at arabeyes dot org
On Saturday 09 November 2002 07:27, NOUSHI Reda wrote:
> > It would be a good idea to get things from CVS. That's where the project
> > is kept.
>
> That's worse, there's even no quran.c in libquran!
Sorry ?
=2D-=20
Mohammed Yousif
"She is in my mind and soul, I love her with all my heart and blood".
We _will_ restore OUR Jerusalem
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Message: 11
From: Mohammed Yousif <mhdyousif at gmx dot net>
Organization: West Point for Advanced Systems
To: developer at arabeyes dot org
Subject: Re: gnomequran inquiry
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:25:21 +0200
Reply-To: developer at arabeyes dot org
On Saturday 09 November 2002 10:11, NOUSHI Reda wrote:
> Hi again,
> I've just read the 'Re: quran' thread!
> I noticed something about quran_init():
> why does quran_init() need to specify a language? Can't we have a step
> where we get all the languages available? that would be called
> quran_init(),
> and then quran_open(<language>) does the previous quran_init() thing.
quran_init() reads the the configurations and put it in 'libquran' (an=20
instance of the struct defined in quran.h)
you can then get the available langs from libquran.avail_langs and then cal=
l=20
quran_open(char *)
=2D-=20
Mohammed Yousif
"She is in my mind and soul, I love her with all my heart and blood".
We _will_ restore OUR Jerusalem
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Message: 12
From: Mohammed Yousif <mhdyousif at gmx dot net>
Organization: West Point for Advanced Systems
To: developer at arabeyes dot org
Subject: Re: al quraan
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:26:13 +0200
Reply-To: developer at arabeyes dot org
On Thursday 07 November 2002 07:01, Mohammad DAMT wrote:
>
> maybe I didn't clearly said what I meant,
> libquran will use libvorbis to open ogg file, decodes it, then returns
> PCM data to application. The application then responsible to play the
> PCM data (not the oggvorbis stream). libquran will have responsibility
> to play the PCM data (but responsible to decodes ogg data).
>
> preliminary code in this issue still in my computer and I will upload to
> CVS as soon as I completed it (perhaps in a day or two)
nice work :-)
=2D-=20
Mohammed Yousif
"She is in my mind and soul, I love her with all my heart and blood".
We _will_ restore OUR Jerusalem
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 07:56:16 -0800
From: " Sara Mraish" <saramraish at earthlink dot net>
To: developer at arabeyes dot org
Subject: Re: normalize a teh-marbuta to a heh
Reply-To: developer at arabeyes dot org
Hi All,
Can I normalize the teh-marbuta to a heh? and
How?
> > Do you happen to know if we can Normalize
> when we input teh-marbuta and get
> > the output as a heh.
> >
> > I am going to input words such as jarydah in
> Arabic with a teh-marbuta and get
> > the output as a jaryduh with heh.
> >
> > I am not sure if we can do that in Arbic--I
> always try to write the
> > teh-marbuta whenever I have a femminine word.
>
> >
> > Can I normalize the teh-marbuta to a heh? and
> How?
> I myself don't write Arabic that much yet :(,
> and I do not know what r u
> trying to do?! if you are writing a lay-out
> manager where you parse an
> input, and write to some sort of buffer how the
> output looks like, I do
> not see why not that is not possible?!
>
> now saying so I do not know what rules govern
> this in Arabic writing,
> nor what r u trying to?, if its development
> related, I might suggest you
> email that to the arabeyes dev list instead of
> the general one
>
> Sorry
>
> Walid
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at arabeyes dot org
> http://www.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/general
>
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 09:54:26 -0600
From: Mohammed Elzubeir <elzubeir at arabeyes dot org>
To: developer at arabeyes dot org
Subject: Re: normalize a teh-marbuta to a heh
Reply-To: developer at arabeyes dot org
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On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 07:56:16AM -0800, Sara Mraish wrote:
> Hi All,
>=20
> Can I normalize the teh-marbuta to a heh? and
> How?
>=20
Salam,
I am sorry, but I really am struggling to understand what you are asking fo=
r.
Normalize it where and for what? Could you please elaborate and be more
specific in your questions? Normalization is simply replacing one character
for another, more generic one. This is generally used in things such as
information retrieval to make it easier to search for a string in a large b=
ody
of text.
So, as you can see, I can't tell if you are simply talking about an editor
automagically normalizing TEH MARBOOTA to a HEH or if you are talking about
this being inside of an application that is IR related.
Thanks
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 09:08:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Nadim Shaikli <shaikli at yahoo dot com>
Subject: Re: Newbie Introduction [revived]
To: developer at arabeyes dot org
Reply-To: developer at arabeyes dot org
--- NOUSHI Reda <noushi enseirb.fr> wrote:
> Hi all,
> Just to drop few things on emacs. you have
> . ecb: which is a source browsing tool (recognizes functions...),
> . tramp: which transparently gives you access to remote files, even if
> you rsh/ssh/ftp to read/write them
> . doxymacs : doxygen under emacs, http://www.doxygen.org
> . w3-el-2? : web browser under emacs
> . cvs-pcl : cvs
> . irc/shell/mail/spellcheck...
> This way you custom build your IDE.
> It's worth mentioning that emacs is a text editor! :))))
> regexp, pattern replace, keyword highlight...
Sounds like someone likes emacs :-)
Salam.
- Nadim
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